VoG is in no way "far superior" than KF. KF took everything what VoG offered: teamwork, communication, strategy, relic mechanic involving a group of people, and multiplied that several times with much more boss encounters/jumping. If just one person fails during some of the Raid's phases, it gets very hard to keep control over the situation. In VoG and CE a players death means basically nothing. Prime example in KF the glyph run phase before the warpriest encounter. KF is the best RAID so far. Extremely balanced and it challenges not just your shooting skills, but also the class you are using (so many people struggle to jump....). People asked for more jumping puzzles: people got em with KF and they even used platforming during the final boss. Nothing from both Year 1 Raids comes even close here. I love VoG, especially because of the Vex themed worlds/environments I love to explore, but KF is just better in nearly every aspect, gameplay wise. Tbh, Bungie will have a hard time to top that.

They just need to remaster the entire Modern Warfare series. Its the series that will forever define the glory of CoD. Not this futuristic bullshit.

I still don't see why Y1 raids were better. So far, you've told me that some raid gear is better than others.

FINAL ACTIVITIES? MORE LIKE FINAL FANTASY XV N I G G A COMIN OUT SEPTMBER 30TH BOYYYYYYYYYY BOUTTA NOT SEE THE SUN FOR A MONTH

to me ghosts was the best..

As somebody who's been playing since the beta and been waiting for the game since ODST; leave the VoG and CE weapons behind. Fatebringer, Black Hammer, Vision of Confluence, and elemental primaries in general broke the game and destroyed weapon variety.

I couldn't care less if the Raid itself was made relevant i just want the armor able to upgraded to y2... there's no reason we shouldnt get that at the least

Cod4! Wetwork!!!!!! Sign if you have mile high club, hardest achievement on xbox.

They didn't go anywhere....

Explain how CoD4 laid out the foundation for all modern shooters? Because that was Halo CE

A few points need to be made here. Just because you have an opinion, that does not mean everyone else shares it. For example, I have been playing CoD since Call of Duty: Finest Hour. I have played every game in the franchise, including the failure that was Modern Warfare on the Nintendo DS. And I much prefer the futuristic setting over the old WW2 setting. Granted, Ghost and AW were both pretty bad. My personal favorite is Black Ops 2, followed by MW2. I also personally think that Modern Warfare 1 was a pile of shyt, and was the 4th worst game in the franchise as far as multiplayer is concerned (Ghost, then AW, then BO1, and then MW1). Another example is for Destiny's year 1 raids. I would be happy with them coming to year 2, but I do [i]not[/i] want them in any future Destiny games. I do not want to be playing the same raid in year 10. Each Destiny game should keep its raids relevant until the follow up game. So don't go assuming you speak for everyone. Only ever speak for yourself. #TitanMasterRace

The ideology that King's Fall is not as good as Vault of Glass is completely subjective. The fact is each Raid is going to be different, so stop expecting them to all cater to a similar experience like VoG. If Kings Fall had come first, and Vault of Glass second, people would probably say KF is the better one. Now, I do agree with bringing back the raids, but let's stop with this crap that Bungie hasn't made anything better than Year One. They have. I'm sorry I had to rant this, but this kind of mentality won't help the community. Hopefully they bring them up, or at least tie in some quest line to make at least Exotics relevant again.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. I think that Bungie made the raid weapons [i]better[/i] than they were in year one, at least from a longevity perspective. Let me explain. The Taken King was a massive expansion. Everything changed, and everyone had new things to do. You could work on the many quests for days on end without being finished with all of them. And then the raid came. It was a fantastic raid, you can't deny that. But when people got different rolls on their weapons, there was some confusion, since we were used to getting God tier weapons when they dropped. Now, we are guaranteed to get cocoon on our weapons, which is still a fantastic perk. However, the fact that your other nodes were not a guaranteed good perk caused an uproar from people like the original poster. Now don't get me wrong, there are some bad weapons. The auto rifle and hand cannon are terrible from the raid. However, the scout rifle and pulse rifle are great once you get used to them, especially if you get good perks. On my pulse rifle I have firefly and on my scout I have full auto. Both of these are great for the gun, and these are some of my favorite weapons. So there are good weapons there, you just have to grind a little more for them. I personally think this was intended by Bungie. Do you honestly think they didn't know that they were going to have little to no content until now? No, they planned for it, which is one of the reasons they changed the way drops work. The way the raid is designed now is much more focused on longevity. While it may not be the most exciting raid, it adds another level of RNG to make it so hardcore players are always trying to get the best piece of gear to fit their playstyle. In VoG and Crota, once you got all the weapons and armor, you didn't have to do it anymore. You had your rolls and that was that. In KF, you get the weapons and armor, but you want a chestpiece with sniper ammo and a scout with full auto, so you go back into the raid next week and try again. Because of the lack of content they would be able to create, they had to increase the RNG to keep people playing. Also, saying that Vault of Glass and Crota's End are superior raids to King's Fall is unjust. Vault of Glass and Crota focus on killing a bunch of enemies, while KF focuses on team mechanics. Plus, you argument is that better items = better raid. Are you just playing the raid for the loot? If so, you are playing the raid for the wrong reason. You should be playing it's fun, and if it's not fun to you, stop playing. I agree that you should be overpowered a bit once you finish the end game, but it does need to be contained. If guns are too overpowered, it breaks the game. some examples are the first week of Skolas and Oracle stage. You can either burn the boss in 30 seconds or cheese the whole encounter if weapons are too overpowered, and that's not what makes a game fun. You also say that year one is better than year two. Okay, let's bring back Vex Mythoclast, Thorn, The Last Word, Suros, and all the other OP guns from year one. Have fun in crucible, because those OP guns are going to be the only ones you are going to be able to use. Let's also bring back TDB Exotic system, that was fantastic. Oh, while we are at it, let's bring back the fantastic story elements from year one. Balance is key in a game like this. You don't want to feel forced to use a specific type of weapon, you want to be able to use whatever weapon you freaking want. The infusion system is perfect right now, and while the story wasn't Pulitzer-worthy, it's pretty dang good. You also say a lot of balance isn't fun. You know what isn't fun? Being killed by Thorn again and again and again. The fact that you don't like King's Fall isn't about the balancing choices Bungie has made, it's about you not liking the emphasis of team mechanics in the raid. You can easily 3 man VoG and one man Crota because the mechanics didn't revolve around working as a team. In KF, every mechanic needs at least 2 people to work, which makes you rely on your teammates more. KF does have less enemies than VoG and Crota, but then again, if you want to kill a lot of enemies, go play a hoard mode. I personally think that it is pretty shallow to think that The Taken King ruined Destiny, like your quote says. What I am hearing from you is, "I spent 2 hours doing a raid and then I got a crappy gun. This isn't what I paid for! I want guns that let me finish all activities in 30 minutes or less and make me a God in Crucible!" You want to say "I did it" after the raid, instead of "we did it" and that's freaking selfish man. And while I admit the best players should get slightly better weapons, it's not a good business model to cater to the few elite players, at least in a game like Destiny. Giving only the best of the best the most OP weapons will drive people away from the game and will make it worse, not better. So in short, guardians don't want year one back, you do.

Ahem... Varricks wtf is he saying?