Bungie trying to bury the thread... Pathetic morons...

Should I bump this? Oh dear...

Here's your daily reminder that sbmm has no place in gaming especially taking priority over cbmm

You can't scape from those replies, bungie.

OMG, it looks as if Bungie has taken down and hidden this "Iron Banner Matchmaking Settings" topic. In deed, it does not show up in any of the forum search results. So much for "Be Brave".... EDIT: However, it does shows up in Google....

Bungie: let's address all the real issues the players have in the game.. Second thought let's talk about the dreadnaught on twitch.. I'm sure that's what they really wanna hear about

Almost 6500 replies and most of them bashing SBMM. GG!

Close to 6500 replies..... No response from bungie.... Thousands of pissed of players demanding SBMM either be taken out completely or be put into a separate playlist entirely and left there.... SBMM is a monument to all of your sins bungie lol the community and bungie are together now, two corpses..... In one grave.......

Bungie, please. This can't go on. Skilled based match making has no place in a game without dedicated servers. If you guys still incist on using these "filters" that seperate "hardcores" from casual players then make it optional - A ranked playlist. Iron Banner used to be fun. In year 1 I was fighting against 6 Thorns but that didn't bother me because the connections were somewhat decent, in every playlist. I remember back in the days when it was up to you to improve if you got handled by better players. Sometimes you get "stomped" by a better team, sometimes you're on that team. We have all been on the receiving and giving end of that - It's online gaming. Year 1 match making needs to be implemented again.

Why is this still up

Hi there :) Yes, I'm still here. I don't know why I'm typing this. The players have been blatantly ignored about so many things---and when you claim to be attempting to incorporate feedback, you just seem to be tripping over yourselves. I, personally, know the degree to which you're willing to ignore your players. Where are my posts on Creations, Deej? It's whatever. I want you to know that I wholeheartedly support SBMM---if the game itself was better. You've got to look at this for what it is. I beg that you do, because this circus is getting embarrassing to even watch. SBMM drew into sharp relief the problems with the game because those of us who at least enjoyed the rush of seeing our skill compared to the general player base no longer even have that to go on. Yes, the 'sweats' became a term because someone at 1.5-ish KD for the first year expected to have easy games, expected to have hard games, and expected to play against that one or two people who could compete. Destiny was a varied experience, at least in PvP. You kind of had a... Jedi and Storm Trooper effect. One or two Jedi per team, and everyone else just spammed bullets. It was fun. It was hilarious at times. Destiny was one of the first games where people got added to my friends list based on having a great game AGAINST me. It didn't offer the traditional shooter experience, the curious lack of ranked matchmaking was... weird... but whatever. It was Destiny. It offered something. Now it doesn't. Now it 'offers' 'competitive' matchmaking with NO RANKING SYSTEM AT ALL other than the invisible hand placing us in matches. Did you sit down with a calculator, a pen and a pad, and figure out what this means? Pure SBMM, such as in say... League of Legends... means that when you're competing against your level you're going to go about .500. So your most dedicated players, those who score highest, are going to wind up playing one another. When they're where they should be, their KD will level out to about 1.0. So they're 1.0. So they players worse than them are below 1.0 but---wait, that's how you decided these players were better and... What? Throw connection issues into that mix, and the problem becomes REALLY clear. There's no 'winning' in your current PvP setup. It punishes the player at every turn. Shitty drop rates, a matchmaking logic which makes zero sense (and ultimately would have everyone aside from the top 1% of players have a 1.0 KD---this coming from a guy who was in the top 1% of crucible games won on 360 for Y1), and no rewards for continuing to play (no ranking system) all force the player to question why they're playing at all. That's when we start to get irritated at all the 1000-yard stares and Last Words out there. That's when Viking Funeral starts to piss us off. See, Thorn was BS last year but I didn't care. I played anyway. I had fun. Destiny was a game that was full of bullshit, and that was its charm. You CAN'T design a game like that, then try to force a 'fair' system into it, and then not do what literally everyone else does. Where is ranked, Bungie? Why place matchmaking into a game that uses the logic of RANKED systems without just making it ranked? Are you afraid that would split your player base even more than giving PS4 exclusives did? Are you afraid that would force you to explain why wait times are so long in one play list or the other, because as much as you ignore and shit on your playerbase anyone still here and bitching is part of a [i]very small group that is still left [/i]? I, and thousands of others at this point, are going to ask you like... one more time. What the -blam!- are you doing? Why don't you give straight answers? Why don't things we get from your community mangers seem to be true? What are you doing? Who is it that is calling the shots over there who just won't give up their 'vision' for this game which is running it into the ground? Are you ever going to answer the community's questions? Why did you change the matchmaking method and not tell us? Why did you advertise the game as nothing like it actually was in the first place? Why WON'T you add ranked, when that's an easy way to pull the higher skilled players out of matches with those just looking for fun? What if I'm good at the game, but I want both---the ability to compete and the ability to dick around? Why wasn't this in your plan for PvP in the first place? Who play tested this and thought everything was great? Why are drop rates so low in literally everything? Why are you so concerned about stretching content? Why are connections still so consistently bad, across all systems? Why do we only get cheesy canned responses from Deej, with endings like [b]"GAME ON!!!"[/b] which in no way reflect the current mood of the community? Why does it seem like you're just trying to gloss over things and herd us toward just playing at all, rather than trying to improve anything? Why don't you care about the eventual success or failure of this franchise? D2 is in development, what are you actually doing? Is this another disk I'm going to be fooled into buying? Why should I believe your advertisement/convention showings for this next game considering what happened with the last one? In your meetings, has someone ever said something like 'they'll buy it anyway'? Who's they? Is they us, your fans, the sole reason for your legitimacy? What the -blam!- are you doing? Tell us something, Bungie. Seriously. This whole thing has turned out so badly that, among the people I game with, I am openly [i]mocked[/i] for having given this game a chance and defending it. Because at this point, that makes me an idiot. No one is going to read this. This game is not worth reading all of these paragraphs for, barely worth writing them for, and the 'valued feedback' within---which is echoed thousands of times by others---might a well be farting into the wind. Your real problem won't be players like me who detail every reason they're not playing anymore to you. Your real problem is that I had eight friends who played, and they've left without saying a word. You really, really shouldn't ignore us. What if we're all one to eight? Where are you active player numbers, Bungie, why haven't we seen those. You can find them for lots of games. COD. WoW. League. EveOnline. Just about any game. You know you're losing our attention fast, yet you continue to do the same shit. It's probably time I stop typing, stop trying, and join my friends (and everyone else) in ignoring this sad, slow death of a could-have-been-great franchise. ~Ricochet

Every lobby in every playlist has lagging players, why the -blam!- is SBMM still in the game ?

Wish we could see how negative this post is.

For me was the best iron banner yet. I don't pvp very much and going in with my friends who do showed. I was always bottom of score card but got carried through. Then I went in on my own and what a difference middle to top of score card getting positive kill deaths. And enjoying it as a game without having to laugh off every death. Connections were good only a few teleporting and wall running. I am looking forward to the next iron banner. Thanks bungie a step in the right direction from my point of view at least.

My thoughts exactly about damage referee.Seemed as though if your team was playing well,in popped DR and you couldn't kill shit until the scores were basically equal again.