I see both forwards AND backwards happening at the same time. Forward: Turn in bounties from anywhere, no longer have to go to the tower just for turning in bounties. Backward: Quests require multiple trips to the tower to get ... nothing more than your next quest step. Forward: Lead PvP designer Jon says in an interview that going into crucible trying to accomplish anything specific will only lead to frustration. Then comes the taken king with no more exotic bounties where you have to get kills with a certain damage type, maintain a certain k/d, etc. Backward: Quests , bounties and gunsmith test weapons require us to accomplish specific goals in the crucible. Forward: No more elemental primaries. They could be considered to powerful and remove some of the challenge in things like night fall. Backward: Add match game modifier which makes elemental damage even more important. Forward: Level can be achieved by simply playing any activity a player wants. Backward: Level means almost nothing and light becomes a DOUBLE run through the rng. I could go on but hopefully you get the idea.

Yeah, take the crucible for example.... Nevermind, look at PvE and things get more rewarding to explo... At least the reward system is more accu... We got more vault space!!!!

I can agree. Guns were more fun in year one.

Sparrow racing Fancy masks Micro transactions -blam!- that's top content I didn't buy destiny for this bullshit

You do know as long as people have opinions, things like this are going to happen regardless, right ? Or did you need a reminder ? I'm sorry dude, but if you haven't been able to tell within the last few weeks, bungie is going backwards. Ratings for TTK was and still is LESS than Vanilla Destiny. USER SCORE is less, by the way. Before you start getting all technical and defensive. Last time I checked, the playerbase review means a hell of a lot more than game critics. So yeah, they're totally going forwards.

Bungie don't listen to us. That's just what they want you to think

Lol at that post but on a serious note the reason we are all mad is because we are all paying to be beta testers for a game that doesn't work,the concept is good but it still needs alot of work, and it doesn't help that this is by far the worst community I've ever seen on a game always trying to argue and belittle someone when there stuck or angry ect.

yea tbh, they should continue to unbalance crucible

[quote]Honestly I'm starting to think Bungie shouldn't listen to us.[/quote] Bungie doesn't listen to me. If Bungie listened to me: RNG would be gone. At the bare minimum it would be much more forgiving and drop more stuff. All drops would be at the light you are at or better. Infusion would take the lower gun to the higher guns level no percentage of mess. raids would drop more guns Old raids would get new loot to not waste old content. Optional matchmaking for everything. Rewards for sherpas, or maybe a sherpalike faction rank so the more you play with noobs in raids the higher your rank and rewards. Blind watch would never be on control All crucible playlists would be available every day. AFKers would get booted in a minute Trials would go all week. Crucible maps would be way more open so people couldn't run around with shotguns. Snipers would either be a primary or i woudln't have more than one round of special ammo in a crucible match. Autorifles would never have been nerfed. Crucible weapon tuning would be completely seperate from PVE weapon tuning. killcams We'd have vote to skip maps. trials spawns would not be the same spawns as control You wouldn't get duplicate strikes. You wouldn't get duplicate weapons all the time when you decode engrams. Private matches Better servers You'd still be using year one guns. You'd still have a gjallahorn equipped. 320 stuff for everybody. The game would drop more guns than armor not vice versa. Sparrow racing league would have two more maps and go be permanent every two weeks for two weeks duration. Microtransactions would only be for cosmetic stuff. There'd be kiosks for raid weapons and armor My titan would punch like Muhammed Ali and not have T-rex arms. Stormcaller wouldn't last as long. Grind would barely exist. Material farming wouldn't exist. Unlimited glimmer storage. Everything would be bought with glimmer. Lightsabers.

The problem is this illusion the community has that Bungie actually "listens" and "values" our input and that input actually leads to changes. Well, Bungie has already stated that changes to weapon "balance" are based on game data, NOT community input/complaints. Bungie decides what game data is relevant, NOT the community. I would go so far as to say that the only relevant input from the community that Bungie "listens" to is the player numbers and sales of Silver. It is no secret that many gameplay issues are either unchanged or taken forever to be changed while ANYTHING that affects Silver sales is "fixed" almost immediately.