According to the 2.1.0 patch notes, Achlyophage Symbiote now reduces Golden Gun's timer (12 seconds -> 9 seconds. That's a 25% nerf). That's absolutely absurd! Golden Gun's active time (without damage resistance) is already way to short. People have been asking for buffs, and you [i]nerf[/i] it? I just don't get it.
Please tell me that it's just a typo...
Edit:
Here's my reasoning, since many of the replies don't seem to get it.
Golden Gun, in its unmodified state, lasts 12 seconds. In that 12 seconds, you have to:
-Return to a combat hot spot after finding a safe place to activate it (rephrased because I had worded it poorly), because god forbid somebody shoots you with a primary while you're in the animation.
-Hope there are enemies somewhere near you, or you just used your super for literally no reason.
- Hope there's only one enemy, or you're simply dead. Yup, two people with primaries will kill a Golden Gun instantly.
-Hope there's more than one enemy, or you just wasted your super for a single kill.
By the time you've done all of that, your time is up. Period. Kills or not, Golden Gun just doesn't care. He's outta here.
And then they drop it to 9 seconds at the cost of your exotic slot? Please explain to me how that makes sense. It's not a "trade off," it's a straight-up sacrifice. You lose 25% of your timer and get an extra bullet to [i]not[/i] use. Logic? Riiiiight...
And to the salty Sunbreakers in this thread:
Even post-nerf, you get a built-in Achlyophage that gives you 4 extra shots, 14 extra seconds, and damage resistance, and it doesn't even take up your exotic slot. Quit acting like they ruined your super.
[b]This guy said it way better than I ever could in his post, here's his reply:[/b]
[quote]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/178885091/0/0
Been following this post since it came up and a lot of comments are along the lines of "you get an extra shot, get over it" or "its a trade off" or my personal favorite "just use it better"
It seems like the majority of people who don't use Hunters don't get why we are angry.
They gave us a worthless exotic. They took a somewhat useful, if situational, exotic and made it a willing debuff to have equipped.
That is why we are angry. They might as well had kept it in Y1.[/quote]
Another Edit:
For those still calling it a fair trade-off, here's a special update just for you:
[b][u]Patch 2.2.0[/u]
Hey guys, DeeJ here! Since our test "rebalance" of Achlyophage Symbiote was so well recieved, we decided to share the love with some of the other popular exotics. You know, to... Uhh... Prevent them from being the only option. Yeah.
Here are the changes:
Armamentarium - All grenade durations are reduced by 25% to balance the extra area control/damage.
Impossible Machines - Now reduces super duration by 25% to balance the extra kill(s).
The Ram - Now reduces Agility to offset the extra Armor.
Saint-14 - Now reduces WoD durability by 33% to offset the blinding feature.
That's all! More balance updates coming in 2.3.0![/b]
Call it a hunch, but I doubt that update would be recieved with open arms.
[u]Edit:[/u] Looks like the whole thing was a mistake in the code, they only meant to nerf it by 0.025%.
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Good luck getting 4 shots off in Crucible. The only time I got all 4 off was when the match was over and I was just firing off celebratory fireworks in mayhem clash.
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10 RespuestasIt's a trade off. Something most gamers today seem to have forgotten.
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30 RespuestasTo everyone saying that it's fair, WHERE ARE THE DAMN GG SEVENTH COLUMN VIDEOS? FIND ME ONE
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As for the past you quoted, no, they didn't give you a useless exotic, they gave you an okay one so you guys will actually start using something else. They do it with weapons, why are you surprised that they would do it with armor? They want everything to be viable.
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15 RespuestasDoes it really take you 12 seconds to find 4 people?
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1 RespuestaI say, buff the normal GG (without 4 shot helm) time to be more in line with radiance's normal time, and then make the 4 shot helm (I'm sorry for not knowing how to spell it) the old GG time. That way it's still a trade off for more shots with less time, but not a ridiculously short time like it is now. [spoiler]Hunters take this how you will, I main warlock, but I'm all for properly balancing things to be fair enough.[/spoiler]
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Why would they also take a real shitty exotic (SGA), and make its main perk even shittier? Cause bungie!
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2 RespuestasYeah, it is stupid. But it forces the player to use it in a timely fashion.
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3 RespuestasGolden gun's timer is, without a doubt, way too short already. I don't get their reasoning.
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See what happens when the hunters cry nerf?
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Salty people
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Way to short? Are you dumb
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Yes it's stupid. But it's kinda a pointless helmet anyway, now. 1 extra shot is not worth losing 2 long lasting trip mines in pvp. And in pve using the Nighthawk is usually a better option. I used to love that helmet, but there are just better options now, even if it didn't have reduced GG duration.
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They didn't bring it to year 2 right away because it wasn't considered to be balanced. This is how they are trying to fit it back in the game.
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Yeah that's stupid no way around it.
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12 RespuestasHow about you stupid hunters stop complaining. Can we have the same game for one second without you guys changing it?
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4 RespuestasWill hunters ever stop complaining?
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94 RespuestasNerfed my Sunbreaker. Nerfed your Gunslinger. Karma's a biatch.
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As a Titan I don't feel bad at all.
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I think its fair
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Normally I only end up using my golden gun in trials if a warlock self reses. There isn't much time involved in that exchange.
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36 RespuestasLess time, more shots. Less shots, more time. It's a balance thing. It's fine.
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2 RespuestasThere are two styles of play for gunslingers, with or without the symbiote. If you rock the helm, you now have to get a little closer and make use of 4 shots in a shorter time. This exotic now requires a new style of play, which is good. Without the helm, you have more time, but less shots. You can stay back a little more and time your shots. This is just like the weapon perks introduced in HoW. If you want a better range, you'll have to sacrifice stability. If you want more ammo, you'll have to give up some range. If you want another golden gun shot, you'll have to sacrifice some super time.
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1 RespuestaAll of the subclasses on hunters seem to have filthy fast supers. Even when I use mask of the third man the super seems way too fast. I can agree that this needs to be fixed. Let's talk real talk tho... Have you seen the defender titans ward of dawn as of late? Sure a few golden gun shots can pop it but most of the other supers just cancel it out now hahah. I had a titan run in and FoH my ass with armor of light on and I survived and popped him with my shotty XD
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It's only useful for storming a control point or small maps even then it's still hard to find people
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4 RespuestasJudging by your list of things you need to do in the 12 seconds you have golden gun, you are probably garbage with it. The fact that you actually listed finding a safe space to pop gg BEFORE popping it as something to do in the 12 seconds made me lol. And if you get out primaried by someone when you have active gg, even mid animation, you deserve to die... Also, why are you seperating finding a safe place from knowing where the enemy is? Believe it or not it's possible to find a safe place WHILE being close by the enemies you intend to kill.