According to the 2.1.0 patch notes, Achlyophage Symbiote now reduces Golden Gun's timer (12 seconds -> 9 seconds. That's a 25% nerf). That's absolutely absurd! Golden Gun's active time (without damage resistance) is already way to short. People have been asking for buffs, and you [i]nerf[/i] it? I just don't get it.
Please tell me that it's just a typo...
Edit:
Here's my reasoning, since many of the replies don't seem to get it.
Golden Gun, in its unmodified state, lasts 12 seconds. In that 12 seconds, you have to:
-Return to a combat hot spot after finding a safe place to activate it (rephrased because I had worded it poorly), because god forbid somebody shoots you with a primary while you're in the animation.
-Hope there are enemies somewhere near you, or you just used your super for literally no reason.
- Hope there's only one enemy, or you're simply dead. Yup, two people with primaries will kill a Golden Gun instantly.
-Hope there's more than one enemy, or you just wasted your super for a single kill.
By the time you've done all of that, your time is up. Period. Kills or not, Golden Gun just doesn't care. He's outta here.
And then they drop it to 9 seconds at the cost of your exotic slot? Please explain to me how that makes sense. It's not a "trade off," it's a straight-up sacrifice. You lose 25% of your timer and get an extra bullet to [i]not[/i] use. Logic? Riiiiight...
And to the salty Sunbreakers in this thread:
Even post-nerf, you get a built-in Achlyophage that gives you 4 extra shots, 14 extra seconds, and damage resistance, and it doesn't even take up your exotic slot. Quit acting like they ruined your super.
[b]This guy said it way better than I ever could in his post, here's his reply:[/b]
[quote]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/178885091/0/0
Been following this post since it came up and a lot of comments are along the lines of "you get an extra shot, get over it" or "its a trade off" or my personal favorite "just use it better"
It seems like the majority of people who don't use Hunters don't get why we are angry.
They gave us a worthless exotic. They took a somewhat useful, if situational, exotic and made it a willing debuff to have equipped.
That is why we are angry. They might as well had kept it in Y1.[/quote]
Another Edit:
For those still calling it a fair trade-off, here's a special update just for you:
[b][u]Patch 2.2.0[/u]
Hey guys, DeeJ here! Since our test "rebalance" of Achlyophage Symbiote was so well recieved, we decided to share the love with some of the other popular exotics. You know, to... Uhh... Prevent them from being the only option. Yeah.
Here are the changes:
Armamentarium - All grenade durations are reduced by 25% to balance the extra area control/damage.
Impossible Machines - Now reduces super duration by 25% to balance the extra kill(s).
The Ram - Now reduces Agility to offset the extra Armor.
Saint-14 - Now reduces WoD durability by 33% to offset the blinding feature.
That's all! More balance updates coming in 2.3.0![/b]
Call it a hunch, but I doubt that update would be recieved with open arms.
[u]Edit:[/u] Looks like the whole thing was a mistake in the code, they only meant to nerf it by 0.025%.
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*Sees OP is whiny hunter* *Leaves*
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I already run out of time. If I dedicate an exotic I should have the full 12 seconds.
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2 RespuestasI'm happy for you. *sarcasim* - Titan
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Editado por Urks: 12/10/2015 3:23:30 PMTbh I usually don't even shoot off all 3 shots every time... Adding 1 bullet but reducing the time to fire it off is dumb and I'd use a random legendary helmet over it.
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1 RespuestaThe saint-14 was is -blam!-ing bullshit
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Eh.. I don't think the animation should take up the time. If it didn't, I could see the reduced time but since it does..
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7 RespuestasBecause if it gave 4 shots in the full time people would be on here screaming like babies that you can kill 4 easily,and it's op etc etc nerf the nerfers!
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I can see why it was done. Come on, you get 4 incredibly accurate insta-kills in PvP...
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5 RespuestasI agree. I loved the symbiote. Now there's almost no point. And if bungie didn't want the symbiote to be the main exotic piece hunters choose, why bring it into year 2? The funny thing about it. The symbiote with that 4th shot.... Was truly an exotic piece of gear.
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Yummy more salty hunter tear
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Totally agreed. I personally consider myself experienced with golden gun as its the only class i use in the crucible. However to use it i always gotta activate it when there's enemies literally infront of me, usually after it activating i could manage to get a kill and die or if the enemies are bad or just not looking at me i can get 2 kills and be close to dead. i am rarely in a situation where i get 3 kills with it and i gotta be really fast. However as any average person should do, golden gun MUST be activated in cover considering the animation time and no damage resistance and once you go out to combat you have around 10 secs to carefully find kills which is ridiculous. So people,depending on their skill and the enemy team, can get between 0 and the max of 3 kills that if enemies where close to them or in sight and didnt shoot at them, fair? NO, not compared to other supers
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It is a stupid one, I love gunslinger and used to love the symbiote. Now we get less time to use our fourth shot which takes more time to use than a regular 3 shot golden gun...shut up that shit is ridiculous.
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Not that I care about the class war but it's to stop Sunbreaker Titan mains from getting butthurt.
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Why do people get so upset about any little change in this game? The differences between HoS and GG have been addressed and pointed out plenty enough that I hope I don't need to repeat them. They both have their pros and cons. I like the idea of trade offs for certain benefits. That's in almost every "Good" game that allows the player to decide how their character should play. Diablo, WoW, LoL, ESO, Smite and several others give you choices. Trade off some damage for for more survivability. Trade off some toughness for shorter cooldowns, etc. The only thing that I think really needs to be focused on FOR ALL SUPERS is damage reduction. Golden gun should have a little bit, but not too much to put it over the top.
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I mostly play hunter and im ok with it.
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This game has more things than racing?
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Have they actually buffed anything beside auto rifles which they nerfed to death just like everything else is the game, god dam nerf fest up in here.
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For a second there i thought that patch 2.2.0 was real
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2 RespuestasYou seem a little salted caramel. Nah I completely understand the frustration on this. No reason to take away time from the super. There has unfortunately been a lot of unnecessary nerfs with this update. And yes I am speaking of Sunbreakers. Changing the throw time of hammers, tracking, and damage of the super was unreasonable. Everything else though I agreed with.
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5 Respuestasit should be 9 seconds after you fire first shot actually the whole Super should have timer going after you either throw a k I've or shoot first GG shot this is the only Super people can seriously hear as soon as it's activated
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8 RespuestasHey people wanted the Titan hammer nerfed it was, but when GG gets a reduction when you out on a certain exotic you complain Seems legit
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11 RespuestasSunbreakers finally get nerfed now you guys complain about this? Quit bein a lil bitch
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7 RespuestasExotics are meant to be situational, and aclyophage added a major plus, without any possible minus. Basically, they have made it so that you gain a ridiculous plus (a 33% boost in your super ), for a 25%need in the duration. I think that it is pretty fair tbh
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2 RespuestasI don't care. Play the game, stop complaining, maybe they'll leave it alone.
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2 RespuestasSwiggetty swesticle I spot a [b][i]desticle[/i][/b]
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2 RespuestasHunter: "OMFG Bungie wtf! I'm playing skirmish and I just killed all 3 opponents with golden gun but I had 1 GG bullet left! What a waste!" #hunterlogic