The super was the only thing holding the subclass up, now that the hammer is (understandibly) getting nerfed titans are going right back into being the worst pvp class. And where the hell is the striker buff we've needed since day one? I'm thinking about just changing my class at this point. I mean really, other than the bubble in pve there's pretty much no point in being a titan once the hammer is gone. EDIT* this seems to have become (a suprisingly reasonable.....for the most part) discussion about the state of the titan class and where it should go from here. I would also like to say that I am aware that sunbreakers aren't confirmed to be nerfed, my original post is simply a "what if" statement. And yes, defender and striker can be used to success in pvp. I should know, I've had to get to the lighthouse with these subclasses myself. They are undeniably weak compared to hunter and warlock in pvp though. And strikers are weak in pve. EDIT* Fair warning. Enough people have started whining on this post that I'm just going to push the mute button if you bring any stupidity here (you know what I'm talking about). I'm the OP, I'm the person you're trying to argue with. You lose that opportunity if you start shit posting here. Frankly I'm too tired to talk to these guys anymore. Edit* The mute thing is working! The number of people saying rude and stupid things has gone down dramatically. Some people disagree, some people agree, but everyone is explaining their point without being an asshole. Keep up the good work fellas! Edit* I don't actually think sunbreaker deserves any nerfs. I only said that to inspire civilized conversation on this post, remember this was made back when they fixed rapid-fire hammer bug and we all thought hammer was getting nerfed. I'm taking a break from destiny anyways so I don't care as much about this topic.