[quote]Stop calling for sunbreaker to be nerfed. At best it puts Titans on the same level as bladedancers. It makes no sense to nerf the armor buff, the Titans are supposed to be tanks. Why should they have the same armor as the hunter which is supposed to be fast and agile? Titans got shit on all through year one. At most HoS puts Titans on the same level as Hunters and a little above warlocks (depending on the warlocks skill).[/quote] I would like to point out a couple of major issues with the sunbreaker. It has an insane base armor rating, capable of taking a golden gun shot anywhere outside of shotgun range, without having to choose a perk for it, unlike every other super. When paired with health regen, HoS is virtually unkillabe by any non super means, taking several sniper headshots. It has more area control than nova bomb. It has higher dps than both stormcaller and arcblade. It has greater range than every other super (including golden gun, which takes a range dropoff unlike HoS). It will one shot every other super, even those attempting to shut it down with nova bomb, or night stalker bow (except other titans, which is an issue). So therefore, it has the highest survivability, range, AOE, DPS, without any perks, and can be augmented with perks that make those stats even higher. I understand your logic when it comes to the Titans being tanky; however, destiny does not follow that logic very strictly. If you follow that logic, then warlocks should be glass cannons, putting out way more DPS than any other subclasses at the cost of low survivability. However, titans have FoH which has higher possible DPS than nova bomb, and harder to kill. Radiance? Literally outclassed by every other super (with the exception of self res, which is outclassed by a shotgun.) Stormcaller? Very good DPS, pathetic range, one shotted by snipers and shotguns easily, yet... Still less DPS than the supposedly "tanky" HoS. The Titans are not only more tanky than every other class, they also have every thing else better. The only thing that can effectively outclass HoS is another HoS or FoH, which are both titan supers. There are a few little tweaks that could make HoS much more balanced. Fist, you could lower the base armor rating. This would prevent health regen from being so damn overpowered. Second, decrease the sunspots DPS and size. They are nearly as large as vortex bomb, can last longer without any perks involved, and can have way more in play at once. Third, decrease the explosive radius/damage of the hammer splash. They should not have eight shots with a super that can easily one shot the entire team when placed well. It essentially takes nova bomb, and gunslinger, and does everything better in that regard. Fourth, increase hammer travel time if they have tracking. You should not be able to snipe across the map with a hammer, simply because you have tracking. Overall, the newest titan super is by far the most overpowered super ever introduced, and I would encourage every titan defending it to try out every other subclass for every class. If you still like HoS more... Than you have proven my point. I have played every subclass a with a variety of builds, and even I can admit the HoS is overpowered, and needs serious needs.

Bladedancers are OP. Nova Bombs have been OP since the beginning. Give the Titans a scrap off the table and all the WHINY Hunters and Warlocks flip out like whiny little scrubs. If Bungie nerfs Sunbreaker I will be taking my gaming dollars over to Battlefront exclusively and I have been a loyal Destiny player since the Beta, personally shelling out $60 (base game), $35 (season pass), $40 (Taken King), ($15 in silver). Thats $150 in little over a year. Again, if that's how Bungie wants to treat it's loyal fans, then they will pay the price.

Literally every person defending the Sunbreaker super is pure crucible negative. Stop proclaiming that it's balanced... You only believe that because you're so bad that it compensates for your total lack of skill with its utter over-the-top brokenness. You're bad and have no right to do well. End of.

You realize that bladedancers can't throw a hammer across the map and one hit kill everything right? Plus They DO have way too much armor. It should not take two golden gun shots to kill a sunbreaker, and the only ones who can instakill one are other titans or warlocks with fist of panic or panic bomb. Stop trying to compare your noobish hos to arc blade, because arc blade is strictly cqc, where as you can hit anyone anywhere. You're upset because you probably rely on it, as does every other titan, as you probably relied heavily on thorn and tlw as well.

Whiny Titans: TITANS ARE THE TANK CLASS SCRUB! [spoiler]but we can move the fastest[/spoiler] [spoiler]jump the highest[/spoiler] [spoiler]have the best recovery passives[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: hungering blade op, pls nerf [spoiler]unless we have an upgraded version, then its alright[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: omg fusion grenades Op [spoiler]unless we have it[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: arc blade is too hard to kill, running isn't an acceptable strategy, it's a roaming super that I have to shotgun melee to take down [spoiler]unless we have it, and it has a ranged attack with more armor, proximity, tracking and an upgraded hungering blade, then you just need to learn to adjust bc you are scrubby [/spoiler] Whiny Titans: glitching a super is bad in PvP [spoiler]unless it's our super, then we're cool with it[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: lol hunters are so whiny [spoiler]we were only just expressing our frustration for the last year everywhere, that's different[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: we have no melee abilities at all! [spoiler]except for the ohk melee with a 3 second cool down that has health regen on kill, that doesn't count, even though it's counted as a melee, it's not, bc I wish to feel undervalued[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: WE ARE THE MASTER CLASS\RACE [spoiler]unless I want to be underpowered, then we've been undervalued to far too long[/spoiler] ~timelordlogan

Sunbreaker needs a major nerf

Still waiting on your reply to my argument dude. Unless my argument made you realize it's op. Because I'm pretty sure if you can't come up with a counterargument...q

You probably won't read this (EDIT: OP STILL HASN'T REPLIED), seeing as how too many words hurt titans heads. And the fact that people on these forums tend to ignore any logical and/or solid arguments. Either way, here we go... [quote]Stop calling for sunbreaker to be nerfed. At best it puts Titans on the same level as bladedancers.[/quote] except they've got more range by default, AoE damage, tracking with the right perk... the list goes on. Blade dancer has a ranged attack, but its inaccurate, is easy to dodge, and requires a specific perk. Blade dancers need to get up close for a kill, but have less armor. They can be shotgun melee killed easily. But yeah, go ahead and keep thinking they're on the same level... [quote]t makes no sense to nerf the armor buff, the Titans are supposed to be tanks. Why should they have the same armor as the hunter which is supposed to be fast and agile?[/quote] well let's see... titans can Titan skate, making them the fastest class as well... Hunters don't get an agility buff during any super, and aren't much faster in sprint speed than any other class. Also, warlocks recovery isn't on the same level as titans armor. So no, it doesn't make sense for them to have the most armor based on the "They're the tank class" argument. Unless you significantly reduce their agility, or even damage output. [quote]Titans got shit on all through year one. At most HoS puts Titans on the same level as Hunters and a little above warlocks (depending on the warlocks skill).[/quote]Ah, the classic year one argument. I frequently hear "well hunters have had golden gun and blade dancer for all of year one, and THOSE are OP!" There's 2 problems with that argument. 1. We can only use one at a time. If we could somehow use both at the same time, I could see an issue... which leads me to 2. Sunbreaker is essentially the best parts of the hunters two "OP" supers, but with even more damage resistance than the subclass with less range. Finally, I've also heard from you tubers who have done the research that titans have as much damage resistance as sunsingers with radiant skin. So titans have as much damage resistance (by default) as a class that would need a perk for it. I know you'll say "but Titans are a tank class!" Yeah and warlocks are meant to be a recovery class. They don't get health regen on a kill. They don't get a buff to health regen either. Another way to look at the sunbreaker is that it's a combination of Nova bomb and radiance. But yeah, keep thinking it's balanced. TL; DR: most people skip lengthy posts in fear of seeing a good argument. Nearly none of the sunbreaker enthusiasts have replied to my posts where I address nearly every point in their argument, and when they do, they aren't thorough at all. I dare you to reply in the thorough fashion that I did, OP.

If they are supposed to be "tanks" why do they have average agility?

"At best it puts Titans on the same level as bladedancers." Right, except bladedancers can't throw their arc blades, nor do the arc blades explode. You say "titans are supposed to be tanks", then let titans be tanks, not have the most lethal super and a tank at the same time.

Weird, I don't remember reading anything about titans being entitled to a OP super because they never learned how to use their other two supers.

[quote]Whiny Titans: TITANS ARE THE TANK CLASS SCRUB! [spoiler]but we can move the fastest[/spoiler] [spoiler]jump the highest[/spoiler] [spoiler]have the best recovery passives[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: hungering blade op, pls nerf [spoiler]unless we have an upgraded version, then its alright[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: omg fusion grenades Op [spoiler]unless we have it[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: arc blade is too hard to kill, running isn't an acceptable strategy, it's a roaming super that I have to shotgun melee to take down [spoiler]unless we have it, and it has a ranged attack with more armor, proximity, tracking and an upgraded hungering blade, then you just need to learn to adjust bc you are scrubby [/spoiler] Whiny Titans: glitching a super is bad in PvP [spoiler]unless it's our super, then we're cool with it[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: lol hunters are so whiny [spoiler]we were only just expressing our frustration for the last year everywhere, that's different[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: we have no melee abilities at all! [spoiler]except for the ohk melee with a 3 second cool down that has health regen on kill, that doesn't count, even though it's counted as a melee, it's not, bc I wish to feel undervalued[/spoiler] Whiny Titans: WE ARE THE MASTER CLASS\RACE [spoiler]unless I want to be underpowered, then we've been undervalued to far too long[/spoiler] ~timelordlogan[/quote]