Throughout year one, the likes of Warlocks were always a welcomed addition among a raid team or fire team going through the nightfalls or Prison of Elders, primarily because of the Sunsinger sub class. The sub class itself never did anything directly to support the team, but it was orb dispenser subclass for the most part in comparison to other subclasses, not to mention the self-res was a dependable ability to save the team from a wipe. The Defender was always the most essential subclass for support, and the cloaking from Bladedancers was well enough to get out of sticky situations to revive someone. Things weren't too well designed, but they were well enough.
Now, things have changed. The Nightstalker subclass has become the ULTIMATE orb dispenser of a subclass, plus the ability to tether enemies that not only slow them down and blind them, but granting more damage be done to the tethered enemy. It has basically become the ultimate support subclass tied with Defender at this point.
So, the Titans still retain their usefulness through their Defender subclass, and now Hunter's can truly call themselves a support class as well. But what about Warlocks? What does the Sunsinger subclass have left to offer? It offers no actual effective buffs to the team and doesn't even come CLOSE to the orbs a Nightstalker can accumulate. What, self res? Perhaps. With the hard raid coming up, it may still retain its "last resort" use. But honestly, most of the time when the entire team ends up dying in the King's Fall raid, its because the team could not keep up with the mechanics of the raid, and most of the time when that happens the wipe is inevitable and no self res will change that. Self res at best is nothing more but a "Whoops, I died, sorry *res*" at this point.
So long story short? Warlocks were screwed over this expansion. With other classes getting new sub classes that do their job ten times better while Warlocks get Stormcaller, albeit a fun subclass to use that is indeed nice for clearing out huge groups of ads, but that's not necessarily support that grants the team any actual benefits besides some peace of mind. And clearing ads isn't support. I'd say Voidwalker and Stormcaller are well enough subclasses that do what they were set out to do well enough, but Sunsinger? It's a subclass that needs a complete overhaul in making it a REAL support class that actually contributes to the team.
I know a lot of other classes are taking this time to throw their punches (as immature as it is) at the Warlock class finally that its uses have become less valuable these days, but why? Why encourage poor game design? Would it not be better that all classes are balanced and have their role to play in a fireteam?
TLDR; Warlocks no longer have any supportive role since TTK and it is poor game design. It needs to be fixed so that all classes are balanced and have their own role to play in the game. All of this coming from someone who has mained a Warlock since day one.
EDIT: Reading some of these post, I have forgotten how truly illiterate some people on these forums are and lack absolutely any reading comprehension skills. As long as I've been on these forums for years, I still don't know why I bother.
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1 RespuestaBruh all I said was nope. I disagree with your entire arguments starting with the first word you typed. I didn't even read it. I play as a warlock and do better than most Titans and hunters
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#remembervog #huntershavefeelingstoo
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I did the raid last night,3 warlocks,2 hunters and a Titan. We only wiped 5 times. Not bad for my first run I'd say.
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Sunsinger is still the only sub class that can revive at will upon death making it almost essential in any kind of wipe - heavy strike or raid. I always use my sunsinger in nightfall and raids. It's not essential to the party until everyone wipes at the boss and suddenly ly he has the most important job of all. Get the team back on their feet.
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My advice is take it off fire born and put on radiant skin. Pop super. Go mental. Gen orbs. Hunter supers. Pick up orbs. Pop super. And so on. It may be you just need to tweak the build away from self res and onto tank mode. The storm caller class is fun and probably better than void walker in honesty ... Can do more damage to more enemies. Both of those are still better for pve than golden gun, unless you use celestial nighthawk on a boss. And Titan smash has always been the worst pve super outside patrol. Just my opinion. PvE. Don't PvP enough to have a view on that.
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I actually think it's a good subclass that we have I main a worlock and I'm happy that I can now be offensive rather than defensive. We still have a part to play in the raid at gorgoroth I use my super when the taken spawn and just hit gorgoroth and the chain effect wipes out the taken so everyone else doesn't have to worry about them.
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Editado por DarthBrando: 10/13/2015 9:42:15 AMGunslinger vs sunbreaker Biggest slap in the face an heres why; Titans are the cryers that destroyed blade dancers shotgun+HC+blink+agility load out. Totally and completely by the way: (2.0 tuning aside) Blink jump Arc bolt grenades Blink strike Arc wave vs bubbles Shot package Then 2.0 on top of that So yea; Thanx for wreaking the year one epic hunter load out (though it did require a bit less skill; least wasnt as bad as shoulder charging FoH a holes) Then getting a copycat subclass thats better than the original form of that class in literally every single way! (Gunslinger vs sunbreaker) Oh an worse still; All the titans are like; [b][i][u]stop cryin hunters git guud[/u][/i][/b] Guess what; [b][i][u]THEY WERE GUUD UNTIL YOU TITANS BROKE EM AN THEN GOT GIFTED THE BIGGEST BULL IN THE DAMN VERSE[/u][/i][/b]
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Where the hell are the Exotic Boots.
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Self revive is a godsent on hard mard. U ever ron vault of glass hunter before dont touch mea. Knightmare
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I like turtles
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True. I used to main warlock but now since they suck I use Hunter class
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1 RespuestaStormtrance=godmode.
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2 RespuestasBut you can be emperor palpatine, so who cares
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Remember when Sunbreakers were just gauntlets? Remember how Xur had them like 30 times in a row? Now Titans have become beyond OP and Stormcallers can be shot out of their super in one shot.
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2 Respuestas3 Sunslingers can 3-man Oryx. Check on YouTube the legend himself
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Nah. Warlocks always sucked ass.
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4 RespuestasI clear out adds faster w/ stormcaller than any other subclass. Do you even destiny bro?
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Editado por folkjack: 10/13/2015 9:15:30 AMLol I'm a hunter and warlocks didn't not get left out.... You wait till someone gets those exotic warlock boots then they'll be more of a pain than sunbreakers
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Defender is and was the ultimate orb maker melee plus super plus the shield generate orbs when hitten by shots. Wait til hard mode and the sell revive will be back :)
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Your Warlock membership is hereby revoked. :P
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5 RespuestasThis has been my biggest complaint with the Warlock class and why it's also my least favorite of the 3. I like nothing more than to be in the Support role and the Warlock just has nothing at all to offer in that regard.
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Yep. Driving me nuts constantly having to argue why the sunsinger is simply NOT a support sub, when comparing it against the actual support subs.
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5 RespuestasTLDR stop crying warlocks are still good
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Feeling ya man, the hype is just slowly going away from my lock