[b]NOTE: This is an old post that somebody Necro'ed. Let me just say that now. My friends are all 34, and I really don't have a reason to whine now. However, the point still stands. These are my final thoughts, summarized by LoxleyTV:[/b] [quote]The people that require lvl 34's for a raid are asking because they are bad at the game and need to be carried. As long as people are the minimum lvl for a raid I'm fine with taking them. So to any asking for lvl 34's for VoG, you're probably just really bad at the game, it's not strategy you're just bad. It's not making the raid is easier at 34 because all damage scales down to the monsters. If your fighting a lvl 30 vex you're basically doing the damage of a lvl 30 guardian. Need proof go into the vault and shot some goblins, crits do 1505 damage with your 300 fatebringer. Now go and patrol earth. Again using your 300 fatebringer. Your not going to get 1505 head shots on the dregs because they are lvl 2 or 3 you might get around 85 to 100 damage on crits.[/quote] Edit: Note that I am a 34, and I do not personally have trouble getting into groups. Some of my friends, however, are just getting into the game, and are around the 30/31 level. They are getting booted from games left and right, even though I taught them what to do, and they often perform better than the level 34s in the game. I raised this topic as a debate. Edit 2: Wow, thanks for all of the feedback! Didn't expect the tread to get so much attention. It seems to me that there are more people on the forums that don't really care about level than people that do. Some people have also pointed out that 34s are more likely to have maxed weapons, which is a 100% reasonable claim. Keep those thoughts coming! Okay, so something's been bothering me lately. I've been around since the beta, and I've been along for the whole ride. I got to level 30 with vault of glass gear, 32 from crota gear, and now 34 on my warlock. Let me ask you guys something... Why must people be level 33/34 to get into a vault of glass hard mode raid nowadays? I remember when having 3 level 30s was a gift... Now level 30s get spit on. Having a 29 in vog is apparently unacceptable now, even though you can still do plenty as a 29. Are people seriously that clueless that they need all six members of their fireteam to have 365 ghally at level 34? It's kind of sad.