did it ever occur to you that some may not enjoy pvp at all and therefore simply lack motivation and drive? i swear, pvp players are the most ignorant gamers of all kinds, intentional or not. the simple fact that someone may not share your pleasure and art of making others "lose and feel miserable" seems so absurd to you that you won't even consider it before making an argument. no offense intended but it's always the same stuff coming from the pvp crowd. sure, doesn't help that bungie is trying like crazy to push ppl into their shitty crucible grindfest with more and more loot. you're left with no choice than to pvp for loot. do ppl still understand what fun is? not insulting others, making others miserable etc. but actually having fun? /endrant