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9/27/2014 6:50:15 AM
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Exotic weapon bounties and non-pvp players

There are bounties for everyone. Lots of them for every type of player. Lots of choices, no matter what your preferences are. You work your way through them, day in day out and sooner or later the unthinkable happens: You get to pick an exotic weapon bounty Happy Day! Or is it ? We have PvE bounties and we have PvP bounties, nicely seperated for each type of player. We have the Queen's Wrath bounties which includes both but still seperates them (no mixed bags either). And then, the most coveted prize of all bounties ...... they are heavily weighted towards pvp players. The non-pvp parts are almost trivial grinds but for ppl like myself who simply do not like pvp (and suck at it as a consequence) this is very frustrating. Getting TWO exotic weapon bounties and being forced to pvp (and be somewhat successfull at it, too) is simply unfair. These steps should include choices for pvp and non-pvp. Either kill 100 guardians with void damage or (for example) track down and kill 10 named Majors/Ultras. You get the idea. It needs to be balanced but there HAS to be a choice. I am sitting on my 2 bounties, being kind of frustrated and quite disappointed because I have to do something I do not like to do. Something I know will frustrate me to no end and something I will have to do for days if I want to have even a remote chance of completing it. To top it all off, it would seem as if the only way to go about it is to shotgun my way through it. Shotgun ..... the one guntype I dispise the most. I kept 2 simply because they are purple but never used them. My favorite gun type (hand cannon) is said to be useless in pvp and primaries do not even have elemental damage to begin with. So to stand a fighting chance, I being a pure pve player, would have to use a void sniper to get a gazillion kills and then some assuming I can somehow manage to stay above a 1.0 k/d ratio to advance my scores. This is not right. If exotic weapon bounties are meant for pvp players only then make it clear and I will not complain. They are not for me then. But as it stands, exotic weapon bounties are simply unfair for non-pvp players. I looked them up after I was given the pvp task by Ikora and they ALL require a lot of pvp. I would like to see this changed and choice being added. Maybe not even choice but diffrent ways to fulfill a requirement. Instead of "kill xxx guardians with void damage" make it "cause a total of xxxxxxxxxxxx voide damage with weapons to your enemies". Something along those lines. So you would be flexible but cannot abuse supers for example. After all, for pvp bounties we have 6 purely pvp centered ones every day. Make the exotic ones so that they work for both kinds of players and can be done by pvp AND/OR pve. Thanks for reading. Comments are welcome, of course.

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  • I think the bounty on any exotics needs to be like find 10 flowers and smell them... You know something to equal the power of the item I'm getting..........

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  • Super Good Advice requires 0 pvp. But you should play pvp. It's better than pve.

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  • Edited by Benhamin: 11/27/2014 10:52:51 PM
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  • The whole Guardians in crucible idea is idiotic to start with. Story wise, why are Guardians killing each other instead of Fallen, Vex, Hive and Cabal? I don't see why all these games need people to kick the living s***t out of each other in order to succeed as a game. The game is supposed to be socially based not anti social, PVP could arguably be classed as anti social, it encourages the type of behaviour the draconian chat system is in place to stop, you know? All that trash talk you hear so often, things like I nuked your ass you f**ker. The game should reflect both types of player, not just some egocentric (alpha male wannabe) PVP players. Note: I said some PVP players.

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    • [quote]There are bounties for everyone. Lots of them for every type of player. Lots of choices, no matter what your preferences are. You work your way through them, day in day out and sooner or later the unthinkable happens: You get to pick an exotic weapon bounty Happy Day! Or is it ? We have PvE bounties and we have PvP bounties, nicely seperated for each type of player. We have the Queen's Wrath bounties which includes both but still seperates them (no mixed bags either). And then, the most coveted prize of all bounties ...... they are heavily weighted towards pvp players. The non-pvp parts are almost trivial grinds but for ppl like myself who simply do not like pvp (and suck at it as a consequence) this is very frustrating. Getting TWO exotic weapon bounties and being forced to pvp (and be somewhat successfull at it, too) is simply unfair. These steps should include choices for pvp and non-pvp. Either kill 100 guardians with void damage or (for example) track down and kill 10 named Majors/Ultras. You get the idea. It needs to be balanced but there HAS to be a choice. I am sitting on my 2 bounties, being kind of frustrated and quite disappointed because I have to do something I do not like to do. Something I know will frustrate me to no end and something I will have to do for days if I want to have even a remote chance of completing it. To top it all off, it would seem as if the only way to go about it is to shotgun my way through it. Shotgun ..... the one guntype I dispise the most. I kept 2 simply because they are purple but never used them. My favorite gun type (hand cannon) is said to be useless in pvp and primaries do not even have elemental damage to begin with. So to stand a fighting chance, I being a pure pve player, would have to use a void sniper to get a gazillion kills and then some assuming I can somehow manage to stay above a 1.0 k/d ratio to advance my scores. This is not right. If exotic weapon bounties are meant for pvp players only then make it clear and I will not complain. They are not for me then. But as it stands, exotic weapon bounties are simply unfair for non-pvp players. I looked them up after I was given the pvp task by Ikora and they ALL require a lot of pvp. I would like to see this changed and choice being added. Maybe not even choice but diffrent ways to fulfill a requirement. Instead of "kill xxx guardians with void damage" make it "cause a total of xxxxxxxxxxxx voide damage with weapons to your enemies". Something along those lines. So you would be flexible but cannot abuse supers for example. After all, for pvp bounties we have 6 purely pvp centered ones every day. Make the exotic ones so that they work for both kinds of players and can be done by pvp AND/OR pve. Thanks for reading. Comments are welcome, of course.[/quote] would like to get materials in patrol missions, strike and raids. Match making in all modes! I think exotic weapons primary Should have element effects if there going to do the same damage as legendary weapons. I think they should add Light as a forth element. high level 30 players shouldn't get killed by a level 2 enemy's just say FYI!

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    • Edited by Harrowed: 10/6/2014 5:19:18 PM
      I consider myself to be a poor to average PVP player. Feel free to look up my Stats. I was able to complete both the Thorn and Bad JuJu bounties. They are daunting, but they can be done. Stick with it. You well feel like you accomplished something when you have that weapon.

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      • The Thorn and Invective are the only ones that have a PvP part. But they're only good for PvP. Just get rid of the bounty and buy a weapon from Xur. And Pocket Infinity is the only one worth getting.

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      • The pvpers are in the same boat. I'm sure they would rather not run 25 strikes and the like. I hated pvp, still do, but appreciate the bounties pushing a well rounded character

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        • Exotics are meant to be hard to obtain. If u can't do the PvP then buy from xur that is why xur is there. If you can't complete then instead of crying on forums you should post on forums "looking for help completing exotic bounty"

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          • I abandoned my exotic bounty due to the PvP.

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            • I am just a casual player, not at all interested in pvp, my wife and I play a lot, for giggles, and we are sad to see that bungie, has really downgraded their interest in non pvp players. The game has tons of flaws anyway, so we will move on soon, but it would have helped if the game had been marketed honestly, as a PVP only game, as that is the simple truth of the matter. They are the only ones with access to many items, so it long while before I will consider another bungie title. Even if I were one of the PVP kids, I would be dismayed that the game is so incredibly thin, poorly developed and just a endless circle of using the same four pvp tricks, over and...

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              • Like I said if you require help on ps4 send me a message. Psn Tempest-Bane

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              • Well, I'll just say that I would like to get "The fate of all fools" Exotic scout rifle... It's exotic bounty questline is as follows: Win 5 Crucible matches to obtain An Invitation. Bring the invitation to the Bounty Tracker to obtain The First Test. Perform feats of skill in the Crucible to obtain The First Test - Completed. Return to the Bounty Tracker to obtain The Second Test. Trade Mote of Lights for Osiris Coins. Use the coins to compete in the Trials of Osiris. If you lose 3 times you will need to use another coin. Earn 10 wins on a single coin, or 25 wins total in the Trials of Osiris to obtain The Second Test - Completed. Return to the Bounty Tracker to obtain The Third Test. Perform kills, headshots, and killing sprees with any scout rifle in the Crucible to obtain The Third Test - Completed. Return to the Bounty Tracker to finally obtain Fate of All Fools. Never going to happen. *tosses hope of obtaining it* (Yes, I would like to have the choice of earning my exotics on PvE side only.. Sure, make the challenges HARD, but just on PvE side. I'm not turned off by the challenge, I'm turned off by the nature of PvP gaming these days, which consists of hostility and insults - none of which I care for)

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                • While I do understand your plight. I personally believe that all the pvp aspect are not as difficult as people make then out to be. Tedious, yes, but no more than the pve parts. Thorn which is the one you seem to be working on is fairly easy, however as you are hunter I can see the problem. Defenders and void walkers have other sources of void damage. I would recommend staying away from crucible until you acquire a void fusion rifle. Which you should keep around for those strikes with void burn anyway, though that is most likely the reason you have the sniper. However, a sniper is extremely affective on a few of the maps. I would not say I am a primarily PvP person, though that is one of my favorite aspects of the game. However, I believe the reason for the added PvP in the bounties is because of the nature of the bounty system. If it was all pve, that would be too easy. As it is most exotic bounties are not that difficult to accomplish, just a little tedious. I feel the crucible is a integrated part if the game. Rewards you earn there can be transfered to pve and rewards from pve can be transfered to the crucible. So we can assume that bungie intended for players to dabble in both, obviously spending more time in their preffered area. I understand that most people feel the PvP arena is brutally unbalanced, however I feel that it isn't. It did take me a few days to get bad juju. Due to the 25 strikes part, which I hated and decided that I would only do a few a day. Thorn requires 500 points with void damage. 5 per kill, -2 per death. As lack luster as the weapon is, I feel they should remove the penalty. However, it is attainable just stay about .5 k/d. I personally think that adding the option to do things in pve instead if PvP should not be added. As it would be unfair to the other side. I had to endure 25 strikes, a mind numbing experience. I would have gladly played 500 PvP matches instead. I believe the bounties are there to pull people out of their comfort zone and have them attempt new things. Plus there is all the back story to the bounties and what not.

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                • It seems to me the best way to do the pvp portion of the quests weld be too team up when you go in to the crucible. If fireteam kills count together, it may be the fastest way to complete then even if the team's players are not that good solo going on together with communication may help level the playing field somewhat. I have the thorn quest and the shotgun quest and am willing to team up to help others. Xbox one, gt VIN DE CRASH. Send friends request and invite anytime I'm on.Thanks.

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                • I agree. I abandoned the Thorn bounty due to the pvp component., and I am ready to ditch bad juju ' s bounty.

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                  • I've heard this plenty of times and I'm just here to give my opinion, like everyone else. I feel the exotic bounties are fine the way they are. This is the only way, besides buying them, to get a guaranteed exotic. You can even beat the VoG and not get anything good. I've gotten three exotic bounties and only one required PvP. I had to get 10000 points off of guardian kills for Bad Juju. The other two, pocket infinity and super good advice, didn't require any PvP. There are multiple opportunities to get exotics so if you can't or won't do the PvP portions, just drop it. Save up your coins and buy a nice exotic from Xur or pray to RNGesus, but don't try to change something that doesn't need to be fixed. There are much more important things Bungie can fix and the exotic bounties aren't one. If you can do it, do it. If you can't don't. It's really that simple.

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                  • Do combined arms or skirmish for void sniping. Do skirmish for void shotgun if you aren't pvp experienced (fewer players makes it less hectic). Crouch to stay hidden on radar. The exotic bounties do have pvp elements to them, but they are very doable. For the invective, the 25k/d spread is counted over a series of games, not one. The thorn bounty, though super tedious, gives you a fighting chance by going 5 points per kill and taking 2 per death.

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                  • The guardians who wielded these weapons were great warriors on all battle grounds. Prove yourself worthy, the crucible is no place for bichazzness

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                    • Edited by HogtownBoy: 10/3/2014 3:50:25 PM
                      As I read this topic I see it turning into a PVP vs PVE fight. Let's let's all agree we bought the game to enjoy it, right! For PVE guys like me I bought it cause I've been waiting for a good co-op game to play with friends. For PVP'ers you bought it for your next challenge, or whatever your reason is, right. Whatever your reason is we can all agree we want the game to be good for us individually. So let's all agree to relax about guys who don't like our side. Bungie needs to realize they advertised this game as an epic co-op story, but failed to deliver. I do enjoy the base model but it feels more like a beta for a future story which it could be depending on how they input future dlc's. I will play the PVP side just because it is good at brushing up once skills and I see a bright future for the game if they mix the PVP and PVE elements even more in the future story. Just imagine a war between factions or player controlled warriors of darkness. In the meantime us PVE'ers should not be forced to play any PVP to gain advantages anymore than a PVP'er should have to participate in the PVE side. Yes I realize guys will say "but I did it",... that's nice. Lastly, again, bungie I bought destiny like so many to play the epic story. Let us!

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                      • They want you to explore all parts of the game. You probably played crucible for 10 games got mad and stopped.

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                        • for all of you unsure about doing the bounty for pocket infinity.... it is much easier than it sounds. i did it all solo and made 130+ out of the 200 kills in 2 games and in the process almost killed the final boss solo on my 1st attempt (2nd run, 1st time connection dropped while i posted an offer to let ppl join for the kill). and yes, that is nightfall and no, i am not a very good player. i would not even consider myself to be a good player. avg at best. so far all the group content can be done solo, VoG being the only exception (i want to go there sometime, any mature eu team need a final member? consider me interested) anyway. tldr; you can solo pocket infinity start to finish.

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                        • oh my, make that 4 bounties now, lol. just got the pocket infinity one. unbelievable. at least this one i can do. even got a few fusion rifles saved up. but still need more. down to 1 bounty slot, heh.

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                          • As a limited pvp player I can say that the hardest pvp bounty I have seen so far, the 500 points with void kills for thorn, is able to be finished within a day. As long as you can maintain better than a .5 kd, if you can maintain closer to 1.0 it can be finished in a few hours.

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                            • Actually you can do it easily with your friends. Just take them to the rumble, where you can kill everyone, and ask them to let you kill them. Anyway third part of the bounty will require friends with voice chat, and it is harder than pvp part (did Thorn with my friend, and it was pain to kill that wizard).

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                              • U should know u get credit for your fireteam kills...if your tesm gets 19 void kills and get 0 and die 10 times u get the credit for the kills

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