LOL I love playing Destiny in fact I haven't played any other game really since sept 9. I consider myself a full player meaning I enjoy to play everything from PVE to PVP as I don't see the idiotic separation some elitist douche bags claim exists. That being said I enjoy raidin a lot but after a few times if you find a good group of friends to raid with it becomes one of the most easy activities in the game and on top of that people cheat. Yet the elitists will tell you how a Iron Banner 30 or 31 is a fake LOL the balls on these people. What's the fun in exploiting the raids and how can you feel proud of your rewards when you take the easy cheating road. That's why I have more respect for the Iron Banner 30 & 31. Your opponents are unpredictable, it takes days to reach the end (Rank 5), you can't push your enemy from a platform to win. And unlike the opponents in Crucible the Templar and Atheon won't ad insult to injury by tea bagging you after you loose a round, nuff said!!!