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Edited by Wyattness: 12/19/2014 8:09:55 AM
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Why I'm leaving Destiny (replies added)

[b]12/19 - Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85687452/0/0/1]Added replies to a few of the comments below[/url]. [/b]If you’re not interested in the discussion, please save us both time and ignore them. I’ve loved this game. I put [url=http://destinystatus.com/xbl/wyattness]500 hours[/url] into building three characters to 30/30/29 before The Dark Below and even started [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Forum/637970/0/1/0]a group to find undiscovered raid chests[/url]. I could level all three classes to 31.5 but I’ve decided not to. Seeing the direction the game has taken in the last few weeks, I’ve decided it’s time to move on. The [url=http://www.polygon.com/2014/12/15/7393695/destiny-dark-below-punishing-hardcore]Polygon[/url] and [url=http://kotaku.com/destinys-biggest-flaw-1671385299]Kotaku[/url] articles capture a lot of what I’ve been feeling but there’s more to why I’m leaving and seeing friends do the same: [b]1. The more dedicated you are, the more you get screwed [/b] The Polygon article’s money quote is spot on: “The system actually [i]punishes players proportionately to their dedication to the game[/i], and it's the stupidest thing I've ever seen a major game developer do to its community.” If you ran the raid 20+ times like I did and finally got level 30 gear, you saw it immediately obsoleted by level 31 vendor gear that required no skill to get. You could grind simple bounties or lose dozens of Crucible matches to buy better gear than you earn by mastering the Vault. A slap in the face. If you grinded to max five exotic weapons, you saw that work erased by the new upgrade system. (And yes, if you wanted your exotics to matter, upgrading again was necessary.) People who say obsoleted gear is a feature of MMOs like WoW are mistaken. When WoW releases new content – in large expansions on 12-18 month cycles – they make the previous top-tier gear important for getting the new top-tier gear. [b]Good MMOs have progression[/b]. You’re earning the ability to beat the next adventure. What Destiny is doing is [b]repeatedly creating a blank slate[/b]. You don’t need any of the level 30 armor or weapons to reach 31 – they’re actually a detriment because you could have saved your upgrade materials for 31 gear. Casuals get a nearly free ticket and dedicated players see their work washed away within weeks. DeeJ wrote, “Your feedback is clear: The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected.” I no longer trust Bungie will do that. [b]2. There’s too little payoff [/b] When I finally, finally hit 30 on my warlock, here’s what happened: my light number ticked from 29 to 30. No dramatic visuals, no cutscenes, no public announcement or rewards. I danced with myself in the Tower for 20 seconds and that was that. It was a microcosm of a larger problem. Because your hard-earned gear and weapons are quickly obsoleted, there’s no meaningful period to enjoy your work. There’s little time to feel like a rockstar or to help lower-level guardians who can level nearly as fast solo. Destiny wants you to be a legend but I think it makes you feel ordinary. Raid exploits made this worse. Have a Vex Mythoclast? You’re either a Vault of Glass badass or [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2k45jq/just_one_of_many_reasons_why_we_should_all_be/]a Joey who watched some warlock cheese Atheon off a ledge[/url]. There’s no way to distinguish. We’re seeing the same with Crota’s End. In a raid intended for top-level six-man teams, you can solo the maze and easily cheese both the bridge and Crota. You get no rewards for killing a level 32 deathsinger boss but can get an exotic within ten seconds of starting the raid after killing zero adds. What? [b]3. Just too much repetition [/b] Any prolonged challenge requires some degree of repetition, whether it’s practice or grinding. I’m up for that. But there’s a line where repetition becomes tedium. For me, Destiny has crossed that line. The DLC was a chance to introduce meaningful new missions, new enemies, new game mechanics, new storylines. The raid was fun the first times through but Omnigul is just another high-level wizard. The might/hand/eyes/gums of Crota are all enemies we’ve killed hundreds of times over. There’s no personality to them, no backstory. They’re not the Elusive Man or Flood or GLaDOS. They’re just angry pixels. When the community complained about the farming of materials for hours on end, Bungie let materials be bought at a loose rate… and introduced four new scarce currencies and made glimmer much more expensive. It feels like a shell game. A repetitive game that obsoletes your repetitive efforts within weeks is a recipe for disillusionment. Look at Reddit and these forums. One week after seeing their raid gear become useless and seeing weeks of the same cycle ahead, more players than usual are saying enough is enough. Among those staying, more than a few say they love and hate the game simultaneously. It’s what drug addicts say. Part of me is intrigued about the House of Wolves I already paid for (mostly for the raid), but I’m probably going to pass. I played a sport in college and a teammate said you get out what you put in but some things pay off more than others. Destiny’s effort-to-reward ratio has become too low for me – under 1.0 – and I don’t want to get sucked in again by its slot machine mechanics. I’m bummed about it. I’m an entrepreneur and respect any team like Bungie’s that tries to create something people love. I’ve met some fun people through the game who I probably won’t hear from again. If I hear about newly discovered raid chests, I’ll probably facepalm for not finding them first. I’ll miss the intensity of PvP and pulling out a last-second win. I do think Destiny has revealed a huge gaming desire. Look at how many people have said that they want the game Bungie teased. A shared-world sci-fi shooter with a great story that requires teamwork? World of Warcraft meets Mass Effect? Shut up and take my money. But unfortunately, I don’t think Destiny is the game we were looking for. Thanks to Bungie and all the players I met* for the good times. On some level, I'll miss you. * Except the guy who kept taking the heavy ammo without his teammates around. Screw that guy. P.S. Small edits to wording. I'm not trying to spoil anyone's fun, really. If you're still enjoying the grind, cool. I'm just venting my frustration and speaking to Bungie and the people who feel like I do.
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  • *leaves* *comes back for ttk*

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  • Have you left yet bruh?

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  • That hawkmoon post 😂😂😂 Also, did anyone else notice that the guy that made the "why I'm leaving" post bought TTK?

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  • I think, you are mainly right. Bungie needs to improve their new franchise, however, you really should play the new dlc "House of Wolves" since you even have paid for it. The Raid is always fun in my opinion and worth it.

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  • Great post. I know how you feel. My friend just quit playing and now I am conflicted as playing with mates is for me, the best part of the game. It's posts like this that define what the Bungies community is about. It's about building something better or attempting to at least

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  • Edited by laker27: 12/19/2014 6:41:28 PM
    I slightly agree with you're reasoning, but no offense, I distrust your words. You claim to be a Vault Hunter, having done it 20+ times. Unfortunate thing for you is that anyone can check your grimoire and notice that you only have 18 completions. You can say that you've done it 50 times up until Atheon, but Atheon is one of the most important elements to beating the raid. Completions are completions.... Don't brag unless you have them. I also doubt you've put in over 500 hours as you haven't even reached a 2k grimoire score. With the Dark Below, a grimoire a score of over 2k is extremely commone. I don't mean to put you down in any way, but you need to speak the truth if you're going to rant like this.

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    • Edited by Wyattness: 12/19/2014 10:58:53 AM
      [b]“Why does it matter if new players can reach a high level fast?” [/b] Because achieving something challenging and distinctive is a big part of what’s fun about a social game. What do you think would happen if marathon organizers celebrated people who finished the race on foot [i]and[/i] by car? If you don’t think fewer people would run the race next year, I hope you don’t want a career in management or game design. Why is it good to give new players a fast track to the highest levels? Bungie already uses progression by unlocking missions and Crucible and raids as players advance. I think staying true to that for the highest levels would extend game time for new players and be more rewarding for everyone. (FWIW, I don't care much about external status. I care that a challenging goal I reached was devalued by making it much easier. If that doesn’t bother you, I’m kinda jealous.) [b]“Why are you complaining about $0.20/hour of entertainment?” [/b] [i]I absolutely got my money’s worth.[/i] Gaming may be the most cost-efficient form of entertainment after reading and diddling yourself. [b]“You should expect to be burned out after playing for 500 hours.” [/b] For a typical linear game, I agree. Destiny is different because of its goals, [url=http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2024481452_briercolumn08xml.html]as stated by the Bungie CEO[/url]: [quote]We hope we create a hobby for (players) where it’s something they can think about and talk about and plan and engage with whether they’re traveling or between classes or wherever they might be. [/quote] That goal is clear from the game design: daily bounties, weekly resets, lots of upgrading and barriers to increase game time. I think they’re failing at creating a hobby by punishing dedicated players. [b]“But seriously, 5 hours a day is not healthy.” [/b] I sorta agree. I’m fortunate to not have to work. Would that change how much you game? Destiny did lead me to somewhat neglect other activities and I regret that. Bungie created a good Skinner box. That’s why I feel conflicted on whether they should improve it. We need more games that make us feel and teach us and bring us together, not more digital crack. I think the recent changes pierced the veil and indicate Bungie is trying to create Farmville with rocket launchers. If so, I frankly hope it fails. If it evolves into something more, I may give it another shot. [b]“Why should we care that you’re quitting?” [/b] [i]Of course[/i] you shouldn’t care that any one guy is quitting. The post is about concerns with the game. Self-expression is always a little self-centered. If you didn’t like the post, ignore or downvote it, that’s okay. But posting “no one cares” seems foolish. You know what kind of people believe their view is the only one that matters? Children. I do apologize if you’re enjoying the game and felt a critical post was a downer. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's mood. [b]“Erase your characters if you’re serious.” [/b] If you invested 500 hours to create something you enjoyed, like a car remodel or a story, why should you destroy it to prove that you don’t want to invest more? If you somehow care whether I play again – and you really shouldn’t! – then feel free to check [url=http://destinystatus.com/xbl/wyattness]my time last played on DestinyStatus[/url]. But really, you know you’ve got better things to do. [b]“Clearly you’re an attention whore if you’re posting a reply after saying you’re quitting.” [/b] I’ll reply to this ahead of time. If you posted something that got 700 upvotes and 800 comments, would you be kinda interested in reading and replying to some of them? I appreciate the opportunity to have this discussion about a game I cared about. Happy hunting. :)

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      • You are so right dude. Ive wanted to get rid of destiny until the new dlc came out and then it was another week of fun.

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      • Ok. Good luck in your endeavors.

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      • Wall of text. Who gives a crap? Bye Felicia.

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      • Exactly. But I will at least play house of wolves on my 32's cause I already paid for it.change ur path bungie

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      • Today was probably the first time in 600+ hours that I've logged into Destiny and thought, why? It's just doing bounties to level up the same or new gear over and over.

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        • Edited by SmokeKing33: 12/19/2014 6:30:30 PM
          “Erase your characters if you’re serious.” Wyattness wrote in response to the above: [i]"If you invested 500 hours to create something you enjoyed, like a car remodel or a story, why should you destroy it to prove that you don’t want to invest more?"[/i] CAUSE YOU'RE A LIAR AND YOU WILL BE BACK PLAYING. WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS EXCUSES, THAT NO ONE BELIEVES, AND JUST PROVE IT BY DELETING YOUR CHARACTERS? NO MORE BS EXCUSES, DO IT

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          • Edited by SilentTekniqx: 1/7/2015 8:58:10 PM
            Wow, its like you read my mind.... I think the Façade of the Hezen is the best looking helmet for warlocks in the game. I want to wear it badly but it does nothing but lower my level. Instead I have to use the Generic BS the vendors sell at a premium ! Amazing and exact post!!!

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          • +1

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          • They should have made crota locked until your level 30. Once your 30 and beat atheon on hard a few times you collect pieces of "random material" to make a key to enter crota Once you beat the whole crota raid on normal, you collect "proof of ascension" pieces which would let you buy 1 piece of "elite vanguard gear"( ie. lvl 31 gear) at a time. Also, your "old" vog gear can be upgraded to light 31using the same process. Weapons stuck at 300 damage could be upgraded to 331 by collecting "enlightened plans" that drop randomly from crota. Light level 32 can then be addressed at crota on hard mode. Problem solved, I think. Opinions?

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            • Good post, and well said.

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            • Edited by thtguyericcc: 1/4/2015 5:31:02 AM
              I completley agree with everything here. I'm not gnna lie I question why I play the game sometimes I feel like I've put so much time into it at this point. it would just be a waste I enjoy the game but sometimes I want to go the bungie headquarters and grab their faces and scream "whyyyy?!?!" At more than half of the decisions they make

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            • I mostly agree, whatever problems bungie had during the development of this game, they most definitely took the easiest and most profitable way out, which is somewhat understandable in a position dealt with deadlines but this is definitely not the game I thought bungie had in them next. I will say though that destiny is more ambitious than halo and I will definitely steer clear of that game now.

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            • I didn't read a single word, but that's because I don't -blam!-ing care. Free bump for you

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            • Edited by D3adMike: 12/23/2014 6:32:17 PM
              Update - This scrub never quit....I wonder what percentage of scrubs do quit after saying they are.....

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              • quiting this game is turning into a full time job for you huh ?

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              • Couldn't agree more, although I shall not quit just yet. This game has serious potential but Bungie -blam!-ed it all up. They need to get a grip and get this game on the right track. They need to start doing what a game called "Runescape" is doing whereby on the old school version of the game, polls are released and the public have their say to make the game a better game.

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              • Great post. The biggest allure of this game for me are the raids. But after seeing how half assed and disappointing CE is, I've decided to take a long break. I'll wait for the next reset on the HoW and hope the next raid is as good as VoG.

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              • 500 hours and too much repetition? Really? Who woulda thunk it would be repetitive after 500 hours!!! GENIUS! Bye Felicia.

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              • Yeah, I just realized that I never did VoG until like 3 weeks before the dlc hit just because I felt like finally doing it. Never got any raid armour. After the dlc comes out? Within 2 days I have the gear I need to get to level 31 thanks to the tower vendors and Eris quest and any gear I would need to do the new Croats raid. Since I had a stockpile of resources and only owned a few legendary weapons and armour. I'm not 31 only because I have a shortage of ascendent shards. Bungie, your doing it wrong. Stop it.

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