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Edited by FiOth: 12/5/2014 9:53:13 AM
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On the EXOTIC RESET (The Ultimate W.T.F moment we've been waiting for)

This is intended to be an open letter towards both players and devs, although the likelihood of it being taken under consideration is abysmally low. First and foremost, let me state that I've been playing [b]DESTINY [/b]since day-one, pre-ordered the Ghost Edition and allowed myself a bit of time in its world almost every day since release. I've been a supporter of what Bungie has [u]supposedly [/u]been trying to do with their new ip, giving it time and considering the flaws in a mild, understanding and mostly academic way: All MMOish games start weak and those that are worthwhile shine down the road. Suffice to say, I've been looking forwards to the Expansion like a child awaiting Christmas. I've lost count of how many times I've watch the trailer - complete with its very own unimaginative portraition of Crota as yet another larger generic Knight - and was delighted with the changes made in the last patch (Dec 1). That is to say, I did not realize right away why something THAT good and logical would happen to a game rooted in the idea of "hours per day/ per people playing/ per Activision stocks in various markets". The deal, it seems, was to sweeten us. They gave us a FINALLY viable way of amassing the moronic amounts of materials required to upgrade Exotic and Legendary gear so we would be less enraged when the new, MAGNIFICENT idea came around. And oh boy, was that a big turd in the face of the dedicated users! I quote the patch notes: "Upgrading an Exotic in this way [u]will require an Exotic Shard[/u]. (That alone will cost 7K. That is about 35% of the amount you can have at any given time. Then, it's farmathon again) [u]The upgrade will reset the progression invested into the item[/u]. ("Invested" is the word used. What a -blam!-ing joke) Each week, Xûr will possess [u]a selection[/u] of upgrades for existing Exotics in his inventory." (Like he's been so trustworthy so far, selling Sunbreakers every other week along with those blasted Voidfangs) ... ... ... Are you people out of you GODDAMN MINDS!?! We have been running around doing stupid, repetitive bounties over and over again just to feed the gear and weapons enough XP to lvl, we've been farming for freakin' HUNDRENDS of hours for the blasted Destination Materials, we've been spending a TON of glimmer per each upgrade, we've poured THREE BLASTED MONTHS of our live's free time just to have a bloody game reset? Specific weapon will be available for upgrade WHEN Xur decides to bring about each of those blasted upgrades?! What about all the people who need the Exotic gear to get to 30? They will have to drop 2-3 lvls and start refarming all that crap! Do you think that the user base exists just to feed the -blam!-ing "hours per day" numbers? THAT'S the respect you show to the people who pay you for your product? THAT's the grant design choice? WHERE THE -blam!- DID BUNGIE GO?! I am pissed out of my mind people. I can't believe how hideously money-driven this whole thing is. And if you are naive in some way and don't understand what "money" has to do with all this, consider how important it is for the companies involved to have active, paying people in the game. More hours of pointless farming, more people online. If you want this mess to make ANY sense devs, you either give us back the materials invested, coupled with telemetries to speed up these processes or require, AT LEAST, that for any weapon to be upped it will first have to be maxed. Of course the ideal situation would be for the upgrading to go on from the current state of the gear but we couldn't have that now, could we? First way will ensure that the people who invested the time are not being awfully crapped upon (you know, the time of our lives that we could have spent playing something else or doing gardening will not be totally wasted?) whilst the second will actually even the playing field for people who will be getting the older Exotics down the way. Do I need to point out that the second idea is still shit but at least it's somewhat fair? No? Great.And PLEASE, don't give me the "it's all optional" bs line. If not upped, those hard-earned pieces of gear will be obsolete. We are forced, either to upgrade them or to ditch them altogether. I don't even know what to think anymore. The game's situation is getting messier by the day. Where did the company behind [b]Halo [/b]go? Where did RESPECT for the players go? Do you think that by showing us photos of workspaces and adress us like ol' pals you are actually befriending us when THIS stuff hits the servers? You went in bed with the freaking devil guys, I am very sorry to say. All that matters, and it is plain as day at this point, is how many playhours the clock registers, how many people cope with all the crap that's been happening, how many "rationalize" all the RNG bs that's in place ONLY to impede progress. I have a TON of stuff to mention here but I will stay on topic. You spit on us, [b]Bungie[/b]. You spit on our dedication, on our hard-earned money, on our -blam!-ing TIME. I'm at the edge of my patience here. I hope I am not alone. EDIT: Seems like I'm NOT freaking alone. Thank you guys. Here are a few more threads, let's spread awareness about all this bs and see if Bungie is "listening loud and clear" as they claim to. http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/82061069/0/0 http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/82305663/0/0 http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/82089048/0/0 WNxChadzors wrote: "Here's an idea? Let's give everyone at bungie a promotion but reset their pay scale to entry level. That sounds fun right Deej? You just need a good recommendation from your supervisor who only comes into the office once a week and only reviews employees at random and then you can start to work on your raises again. Simple."

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  • BUMP please rethink Bungie! I suggest one shard plus xur = new node! No reset no to wasting our time!

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  • You lot are retards! Seriously... Your releveling to increase your overall exotic damage, it's not a hard reset and a choice! You are getting an increase in the weapon level, I simple don't have an issue with this.

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  • Rant rant rant Wall of text wall of text Lol you -blam!-ing idiots need to just play the -blam!-ing dlc when it comes out and shut up

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    • Edited by ErethrenGarav: 12/8/2014 2:25:03 AM
      I agree... continuing to be thoroughly disappointed with Bungie decision making. More content to ENCOURAGE play, not FORCE it. Hard does not equate to fun. Frustration does not equate to fun - especially with an unfair RNG based payoff.. that for some, has yet to pay off at all. and feasibly may NEVER pay off.

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    • Keep in mind that time and material costs for all exotics are decreasing by a factor of at least2 or 3 according to the patch notes. Materials, xp, etc requirements are all going down. So it seems awful but won't be too bad

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    • Love the very last suggestion,this situation sucks

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    • I have one simple this to say. You all are -blam!-ing idiots if you think the information said above is good.

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      • Two months ago I would never have said this, but I also don't have enough glimmer to upgrade the 6+ Exotics that I regularly use. 7,000 glimmer per piece would be about 42,000 glimmer. Considering that I can only have 25,000 at a time, that leaves me with few good options. The Coins part I can live with, but the glimmer *and* the XP reset are two costs too many. Not to mention that Xur will have a 'rotating inventory' of Exotics available to upgrade; i.e. I might not even be able to upgrade the items I want on a given week. Given his past (terrible) track record of rotating Exotics, I'm not too optimistic about him actually get around to all of the weapons in a timely manner. Why? That's the question I keep asking myself about all the hoops you have to jump through to get better Exotics. Why? Just 7 days ago Bungie buffed all of the Exotics without my glimmer, XP, or Shards. Now all of the sudden they need me to grind moar. Why? The majority of people are clearly angry, and I don't blame them.

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        • It sounds like they'll boost the damage above 300 out the gate on the upgraded one, great...but I have no desire to unlock the same abilities a second time. I think I'm done with this game, at least until all the DLC come out. I'll probably hop on for strange coins and to buy exotics, hoping the game gets better, but I"m not putting a whole lot of faith in that right now, unfortunately. Very disappointed in this game.

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          • Bungie Please Stop the Oppression Xbox One Players are already getting Spit On and i understand why but with this update Im Afraid We Will All DROWN.

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          • My issue isnt so much releveling, its having to wait for Xur to have the same exotic to exchange "and THEN" start leveling. My exotics were a project, I was always leveling one...now basically I won't touch then until I get the upgraded Xur model and waiting for that will suck and be so much lost time.

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          • +1 to you and Chadzors. And you didn't even mention the ridiculous commendation business. Or the 19 different currencies we will negotiate once TDB goes live. Maybe if Bungie employees were paid in 19 different world currencies they would get it? Or how about this -- pay them in gift cards (motes) that can only be used at fashion stores. Then forbid them from exchanging these cards for hard useful currency. Sounds like a plan to me.

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          • Would you prefer they didn't let give you option to advance your exotics further then current max? And instead make you farm for better gear entirely making all your gear 100% outdated. If you don't want to reset don't bother. But if you want to get more attack go ahead. Also like others have posted your gear after reset will be stronger then previous max out, so think of it as prestiging your gear. Plus hard part is getting the gear itself so lvl in up again should be easy specially since you don't need ascended materials again.

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            • WTF

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            • What a baby... This game is not hard at all and is very easy to get the things you want. Go play another game or toughen up a bit.

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            • If Bungie feels they need to go through with this Exotic upgrade path, may I at least make a suggestion. I propose that Xur will only accept a fully upgraded Exotic. Trade him a fully upgraded exotic, and an exotic shard (no glimmer), and receive a fully upgraded exotic back but its Attack/Defense has been increased. Glimmer is scarce for many already due to pricey upgrades and purchasing ammo synthesis. Do you really want too take away a player's ability to raid so that they can instead purchase an exotic upgrade? They won't be able to afford ammo synthesis required to raid.

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            • If they can buff the Exotics this week without using Xur, there's no reason they can't buff the Exotics next week without using Xur. I mean, they just buffed Exotics across the board last Tuesday--with no player actions necessary--and yet all of the sudden there's no other way to change the way Exotics work? Why? People are angry, and I don't blame them.

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              • I think it a great. Roll on next week so I can reforge my stuff. Bring It On...

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              • For over a decade now there have only been two gaming companies that stood up for themselves and us gamers from the ubisoft/activision/EA money juggernaut. They were bungie and bioware. Now it's obvious that there's only bioware left that actually gives a shit what gamers want.

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                • This is the price you have to pay to get ONE OF THE BEST WEAPONS IN THE GAME. You want it handed to you for free on a silver platter? Don't bother then, I will do it and then I'll have a Better gun for the work i put in and you can keep your inferior gun for not putting more work in. Fairs fair.

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                  • I'll give them a couple weeks to announce and subsequently fix this from dlc launch. To be clear; i will not spend the next 3months grinding my exotics too a usable level. I can tolerate 1 month of monotonous grinding to get back up to par with my 20+ exotics. I will also not wait for xur to have an upgrade. It says equipped in the ss, make it so. 14 strange for a gun that cost 23 is excessive. I will be seeking a refund and doing everything in my power to share my experience so people don't waste their money on this retarded mess of a game.

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                  • "Where did Bungie go?" It left with Staten and Marty. This amateur hour is bungie 2.0, a untrustworthy beast wearing our beloved bungie's face as a corporate mask.

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                    • Someone who fully upgraded an exotic. 7000 Glimmer + 1 shard + Wait for Xur. Someone who just found an exotic, and didnt upgrade it at all. 7000 Glimmer + 1 shard + Wait for Xur. That sounds unfair. I dont mind the reprogression... bur the guy who already prgressed ahould at least have the glimmer waivered. All I ask.

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                    • Illetirate and hateful, read the facts, nuff said

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                    • I agree with you and have been trying to explain this to people the past week. All I get is people telling Me that I suck at destiny (i have three 30's btw), or to stop crying etc etc. its funny how many idiots (apologists) cant see whats going on here. They're doing this to keep people playing their gutted game. Mindlessly re-leveling up gear and having to beat valus taarc 150 times. Its insanity. But Ive worked so hard getting three characters to 30 that I cant stop playing. Playing with people is fun but god damn, for a $500,000,000 game theres like hardly anything to do in this game except the same shit over and over and over again. lol. The raid isn't even a challenge anymore. the main challenge in the raid is to not smash your console having to deal with all the glitches. Lol last night on templar i had the relic and it wouldn't let me kill any oracles with it. Id do the jumping shield smash repeatedly and nothing would happen and i also couldn't get out of the containments with the relic either. theres so many glitches its ubsurd.

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                    • Edited by shadowgaze72: 12/5/2014 10:50:18 PM
                      Honestly I think the whole light leveling us up is stupid, I honestly think it's just a way for them to make us grind longer. You want to make it difficult to get this gear then how about a campaign that is actually difficult and well thought out, get rid of the whole light and keep the xp have a cap on the combat level if you want and the gear rated at certain cb levels. I have never played a game till now that the armor actually increased your cb level, armor and weapons have perks and bonuses but should have nothing to do with leveling up. They can reset the armor by bringing out new armor, guess we learned that huh. I have only been playing a month so I feel for all of you who have been playing since day one, personally I was expecting more of a campaign myself but guess that isn't the case. Anyhow I was under the impression there would be NEW gear, rather than this - well I suppose they believe this will keep everyone grinding awhile longer. They are definitely testing the breaking point of players, how far can they push us before we say that's enough and quit. The sad truth is they are only hurting themselves, and they are working on Destiny 2 while Destiny is failing on so many levels!!! Let's face it other than the mechanics, graphics and decent music what is Destiny? We kill either hive, vex, cabal, fallen or each other for gear to go back and kill more hive, vex cabal, fallen and each other. That's the game in a nutshell. Everything else was gutted out from launch, their lead writer up and quit which is evident by the lack of absolutely no story whatsoever. To me this feels like a beta game, it has so many loop holes, glitches, error codes, poorly thought out patrol missions, no story, a wacked out combat system, and other than pulverizing each other into the dirt for crucible marks or bashing fallen into the ground for vanguard marks - what else is there? Cool armor and weapons with perks and bonuses that they can tweak at a moments notice. Why I was so hesitant to buy this game initially, because it is exclusively online and I have already dealt with the bs of online games where they are constantly messing with gear and cb. Anyhow I think they are hoping that the tedious grind ( not to say the more difficult grinding like VoG is an easy task for just any player)will bring new players to the table who aren't as picky as we are, however as the VoG isn't exactly easy - maybe they figure with fire teams it will be enough to sustain the players who won't question what they do. Personally for myself I don't do the crucible, but I am gearing up for VoG, try and give myself as much of an edge as possible before heading in there.

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