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Edited by Tremendous_Trees: 1/19/2015 6:27:54 PM
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The Hawkmoon Experiment

Okay, first and foremost, the Hawkmoon is my favorite weapon in Destiny and has been for quite some time now. I have 14 exotics, and so many legendaries that I ran out of space and had to delete the obsolete ones. I have recently been testing out my most damage producing [b]primary[/b] guns compared to my Hawkmoon. I have been testing these weapons out by shooting various bosses at various levels with the Hawkmoon in the precision spots. Then, making the exact same shots, from the exact same distance, in the exact same amount of time with other primary weapons. For example: The Hawkmoon takes roughly 6 seconds to shoot its 13 bullets. When shooting Septiks Prime from a tiger strike in its precision spot for 6 seconds/13 bullets, the damage that it produces always equals [b]8,694[/b] damage. I know, that's a lot right :) When I do the same thing with other primary weapons in the game (rather good primary weapons that many people consider some of the best), nothing ever even comes close. The last weapon that I recorded doing this was with the Vision of Confluence. After shooting ole Septiks for roughly 6 seconds (which was its full magazine of 19 bullets), the damage that it produced equaled [b]5,776[/b] damage. That is about 2/3 of what the Hawkmoon can produce. (Which btw--that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad weapon, in fact I still find it to be a great weapon). But, regardless it still doesn't even come close in pure damage. Also, note that this is just my first attempt at testing these things out. If I get serious with this experiment, then I am aware that I will need to test these guns out for much longer than 6 seconds to take in account that some weapons reload much faster/slower. Which could result in more or less damage dealt over an amount of time. Plus, I would need to test different weapons out that have a different roll of perks that could be more beneficial for expelling more damage out. What is the point if this experiment? [b]Find a primary weapon that can produce more damage to a boss than the Hawkmoon in a specific amount if time[/b]. This is the first day that I started testing these primary weapons out, so as of now I don't have a lot of data. With that being said, [b]if anyone actually cares about this post, then I will try to update my results as often as possible. [/b] --Thanks for reading-- ***Well, thank you all for showing me how much you guys enjoyed this post. After receiving over 200 replies, it is very clear that there are many of you out there who are just as curious as I am to see just how much damage out some of these primary weapons can produce. I have been receiving a very large amount of requests to test out The Last Word against the Hawkmoon, and quite frankly, I have became astonished by my findings. This time I tested these weapons out on a level 22 Phogoth. This is what I came up with. First, I must address that I have and will always test these weapons out on a boss from the same distance with each weapon in that boss battle. I have tested these weapons from a [b]realistic[/b] distance. I wasn't sniping Phogoth with these weapons, and I also didn't get ridiculously close. With that being said, it turns out that The Last Word has an [b]extreme[/b] disadvantage at range (and not even that much range to be honest). I am not sure if Bungie intended the weapon to work this way, but here we go. When hip firing The Last Word at Phogoth in his precision spot (which does bonus precision damage because the perk Last Word was unlocked) the weapon hit him with an average of 400 damage per shot. I was highly surprised to find this, because I expected Last Word perk to allow the gun to do WAY more damage per shot. This is where I became even more disappointed. I decided to try aiming down the sights on him at that same range, and I still hit him with on average 400 damage per shot. It appears that after you exceed a specific range The Last Word's perk (Last Word) doesn't take affect. With that being said...this weapon clearly didn't stand a chance against the Hawkmoon, which did 621 damage for 10 shots, and 3 shots of 828 damage. This totaled out to be yet again 8,694 damage. I shot both weapons at Good ole Phogoth for 7 seconds each. In those 7 seconds Hawkmoon only expelled its magazine once, and The Last Word was able to shoot all 8 bullets, then reload, and shoot 8 more. In that time The Last Word was able to do 6,400 damage to Phogoth, and the Hawkmoon did 8,694. Now, you may be thinking to yourself why the heck didn't I get extremely close to him with The Last Word, after all it's considered a close range weapon at times. I well, I tried but the distance that I reached where Last Word actually took effect was extremely close and definitely not reasonable. I want my findings to be as accurate and realistic as possible. The data shouldn't be theoretical, it should exemplify a real situation. Sure, if I ran directly up to Phogoth and whispered in his ear while barrel stuffing him in the stomach, then maybe The Last Word would have put up a greater fight, but that's not realistic--You will die. Anyway, these were my findings. I was shocked that everyone's favorite badass cowboy revolver didn't come as close as I thought it would. I will be testing The Last Word out on more bosses, because the outcome just didn't seem right. Who knows, maybe I did something wrong. I will keep trying though. Thank you all for the constructive suggestions. Some of you have had some really great findings. I appreciate it. --Thanks for reading-- ***Well guys it turns out that I have some new findings. This is something of astronomical proportions that could change the way we see things forever. It turns out that...I am a jackass. But seriously I'm a human, we all make mistakes, so go easy on me. I didn't realize that my The Last Word was not fully upgraded, but my Hawkmoon was, which basically rendered my most recent test pointless. I will quickly fix this, and try again with the proper weaponry. :) --Thanks for reading-- ***Ok guys, I have been reading a lot of your responses, and thanks to all of your awesome feedback, I have come to the conclusion that I must do these tests a bit differently. :) From now on, my tests will revolve around the amount of damage that maxed primaries can entirely inflict. Meaning, the amount of damage they inflict after completely expelling their ammo, from both the magazine and the reserve. Keep in mind, that I will be testing these weapons with no armor that will help the weapons out. For example, I will not be wearing armor that has increased reload speed for the weapon that I am testing, or increased ammo capacity for the weapon. That way, I will ensure that every primary weapon will be tested in its original form; which should ensure more accurate stats. The weapons that I test will be completely maxed to 331. Except the Vex, which will be maxed to 323, which is its max. This way, there should be no particular bias toward any specific weapon. Even the master race Hawkmoon. ;) This new system should eliminate any doubts regarding certain variables, such as reload speed, or fire rate. I hope you guys will enjoy the new system, and the more accurate stats that will be the outcome from these new and improved experiments. :) Furthermore, stats incoming! Fairly soon, I will be posting stat comparisons on the Vex, The Last Word, Red Death, possibly Timur's Lash, (Universal Remote if I can get my hands on it), Mida Multi-Tool, No Land Beyond ;), and many more. Just keep suggesting the weapons that you guys want to be tested. I will do my best to test them, and let you guys in on my findings. Prepare for updates soon guys! --Thanks For Reading--
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  • You should test VoC again with field scout to see its total damage output.

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  • Edited by a potato: 11/28/2014 2:18:16 PM
    Ok. Now test against suros regime. I started doing math on damage per mag on AR's vs precision weapons and the math has not been pretty on my end. even with all the nerfs, AR's with high stability (and thus the capacity to precision-hit nearly every shot) will do upwards of double the damage per mag of precision weapons like hand cannons and scouts, and their reload times are negligible.

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    • problem is in PvE you can't assess how much additional explosive damage Fatebringer does, in groups of mobs it seems way more effective than Hawkmoon.

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      • You should test two mags. Then it includes reload speed. You should also alter your range a few times. I'd imagine the vision would do better at longer distances and would be easier to correct missed shots. Do you plan to test things in different situations? Like what's better for killing a groups at close-mid-and long range? Aside from high damage targets(bosses) do you really need to produce that much damage? What about if you don't crit? Sorry you're study is interesting me and Im just naming off other tests I hope you run. Goodluck.

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      • Some weapons are better for bosses and other are just great for one or two shotting the minions

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      • Yeah but it's also less punishing if you don't headshot with the VoC. The numbers add up but all in all the VoC is better. Not to mention the hawkmoon can only shoot so far whereas you can shoot VoC like its a sniper

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        • Facking love my hawkmoon

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        • Handcanons are only good if u crit

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          • Edited by chaos0720: 11/28/2014 5:05:50 AM
            Impact is one of the key factors that determine damage out put. Drop off rate from distance is another factor. At close range, hand canons will outshine most other guns. The further away you get, the drop off rate for hand canons is more steep than scout rifles.

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            • As an Xbox player, what's a Hawk Moon? Is that similar to a Full moon? Or is it like a Harvest moon type deal? hue hue hue hue

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              • There are websites that have graphs with dps and adjusted dps for every weapon, save ur time and Google it

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                • You still have to many variables to consider. What gear is that person wearing? Are you setup for just hand cannons? Or other weapon types as well, plus what subclass perks are you using and what class? A hunter has the ability to stack x3 reload speed, so is that taken into account. Also fighting style, your not going to fight the same way with all weapons.. So yes maybe on an entirely basic level the hawk moon does more damage. But when you start setting up for other weapons, and change your tactics to better accommodate the weapons, over a 30 or 60 second time frame you will probably start seeing a shift in what weapons produce more damage. Also your test doesn't apply to shielded units. Your hawk moon won't take down a shielded wizard as fast as VOC will simple because of elemental damage. But it will kill a captain faster than VOC will because of resistance. So your experiment is (no offense) but kind of pointless when you look at versatility against just 1 setup.

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                  • I've been using fate ringer for a bit it's not fully maxed but I have all the perks for it and I absolutely love it I wonder if hawk moon is better I've heard great things about it

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                    • Tested with maxed hawkmoon? To under upgraded voc?

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                      Can you compare Hawkmoon with thorn after its buff?

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                      • Nice post, I'm wondering if the VoC out performs hawk moon on oracles, since it has extra damage vs oracles

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                        • You have to remember that Hawkmoon gets 3 large damage buffs from it's upgrades. So for pure damage nothing is really gonna be able to compare when your shooting all the rounds. I'm not arguing against your data in any way just saying. I really wish I could get it but I'm x box >.< I wanna try it

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                          • I would like you to compare this with the vex i have both but sadly hawkmoon does not have damage upgrades

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                            • Would love to see a comparison between hawkmoon, fatebringer, and TDYK since these seem to be the 3 best handcannons in the game.

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                              • You also have to take into account that Hawkmoon has 3 bullets that do bonus damage as well. So of course it will do more damage per clip than other weapons. I have a fully maxed out hawkmoon and I love it.

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                                • It's common knowledge that hawkmoon does the most damage out of all the primary weapons.

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                                  • One word: fatebringer...

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                                    • i have a timur's lash that i rolled about 15 times +/- and it actually produces more DOT than the hawkmoon. the perks i got are killing an ememy grants a dmg bonus for a short time, killing an ememy grants bonus ammo directly to the magazine, and reactive reload which doubles reload speed. with those perks, the first 1-2 shots(of a 7 round mag, and also depending on lvl of enemy firing at) are always 1655 like the hawkmoon crit hit. however, EVERY subsequent shot is 1955 because i am always taking my time and going for crit hits. with the return to sender(bonus ammo to the mag) perk, i usually get 10 rounds out of the mag. now i don't know if i'm the only one with these perks(i'm sure there is someone else out there after this last iron banner), but this weapon goes toe to toe with the hawkmoon any day of the week. however, i still want the hawkmoon, because of the larger mag which is easier to deal with rather than hoping to get the bonus ammo from the perk.

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                                      • Did you try timurs lash?

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                                      • Edited by KCBRUIN: 11/27/2014 7:33:06 PM
                                        Most youtubers do the DPS stats against a dreg or a goblin. Now I gotta play the Devil's lair all the way to the end to see if my Hawkmoon is doing the same worse or better. I killed a Vandal the other day and got all three bonus damages in a single bullet causing 3200+ crit damage in one shot. Best weapon in the game so far for me. With Chain of Woe its a killing machine. #ChainOfWoeDeathDealer

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                                        • Edited by Freezzerker: 11/27/2014 6:51:13 PM
                                          Keep us updated. I'd not only like to know others for a hawk moon comparison but also just for general knowledge purposes. Love to see how the suros compares, as well as the devil you know, fatebringer, and I'm sure there is more that people would like to compare

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