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11/26/2014 8:07:22 PM
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Still don't understand how pushing a bad guy off a cliff or using terrain to hide has become cheating. I can fall off and die. If using real tactics to level the playing field or even give me the advantage why shouldn't I take it? Someone else made the world and dropped me in it, I should be able to win however I see fit.
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Well then you want that Phogoth can respawn too Am I right? We can fall off cliffs - She/He can fall of cliffs We can respawn - He /She can respawn
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With that logic I guess you have no problem jumping into crucible and getting blown to shit by rockets every 2 seconds cause these -blam!-s are cheating the system lol they're just finding a loop hole to win right?
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If the developers leave a way for the out of the box thinker to use unconventional means to defeat the scenario then yes. Hacking the system and changing the parameters no. If the developers choose modify the code, change the layout or the physics and mechanics of the scenario so be it. It is not cheating to use the world we are given how we see fit
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I really like this point. If I can fall of and die so should anything else be able to that doesn't fly. I think this is how the game should exist. If they didn't want everyone using this tactic to push Atheon off they should have re-written the AI for him not put up baby bumpers. I understand that EVERYONE pushing Atheon off the edge in under 30 seconds every time isn't an acceptable amount of effort for earn some of the best gear in the game. However it is still in my opinion a legitimate strategy. They should have made it harder to push him off the edge by making the boss smarter. Just the term "Baby Bumpers" describer the level of intelligence in Atheons AI. We use real baby bumpers to prevent infants from walking down the stairs. Do we do that for adults? If an adult doesn't know how to walk down the stairs do we REMOVE the stairs? We teach them how to handle the situation properly. Then again I don't know anything about game design and it might be far to difficult to make a smarter boss.
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How many people beat bosses in the souls series without pushing them off? I'll wait My gaming motto, if it works for souls it works period.
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I never pushed any off a cliff. There was that one dragon who jumped through a bridge though..... And the pursuer who had that unfortunate accident with a ballista.....
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Bosses aren't meant to fall off. That's why they tried to patch atheon. It's an exploit, simple as that.
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Everything can fall of a cliff, nothing is Immune, except maybe a Wizard (which can fly) it's not an exploit its a tactic
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And you were a mistake
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Okay then why did they patch atheon? If you can explain that then you'll see the truth.
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Because that's a raid, and the wanted the raid to be played a certain way. They wanted players' strategies and mettle to be tested by having to respond to all the features put in the raid, such as the time warps, the oracles, the relic, fending of harpies while holding the gates open, etc... The Phogoth strike has none of those features; it has one feature: shoot at him. In this regard, it would not be an exploit to push him off. An exploit is using some unintended AI behavior or environmental features to you advantage. Arguably, Bungie didn't [i]intend[/i] for players to push Phogoth off, but they also very clearly put a massive ledge in the room, and they also very clearly made him responsive to grenades. If anything is exploitative about this, it's the AI's inability to realize what's happening to him (Bungie's shortfall), but still. If you corner anything with fire, you guess the potential outcomes. In either case, it's irrelevant because this was done at level 12. I doubt it would work quite as well in a Nightfall or Weekly.
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Go say that to the programmers or are so stuck up your own ass that you would really believe that. A boss isn't meant to be pushed off the map and that's that.
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If they change it, they change it. I am completely fine with it being either way. You don't think he should be pushed off, so don't push him off. Nobody's forcing you to. Just leave everyone else alone about it, and stop being a goddamned fascist. If you see a show you don't like on television, do you leave it on and then complain to the network that you don't think the writers are any good? No, you change the damned channel like any sane person would.
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I hope they do so kids like you can't always take the easy way out. It's and exploit simple as that, convo over.
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I'm sorry, but I have to snicker at you calling me a kid. The baseless assumptions people make on a regular basis always entertain me. But the best part is how you don't want me to take the easy way out. Do you not see how -blam!-ing miserable that is of you. You're nothing but a crab in the bucket. You remind me of my grandfather from when I actually was a kid. He would tell anybody who'd never worked as an auto-mechanic 100 hours a week that they never worked a hard day in their life. There were a few things wrong with that statement. To him, working a hard day in your life was some how the make or break virtue. The assumption was that people really ought to de-value themselves and feel inferior because they didn't do things that drunken, angry Irishman's way. The problem is that with him, just as it is with you, he didn't really know the people he was talking to that way, and really, it was [i]none of his -blam!-ing business[/i]. How miserable do yo have to be to want to see other people have to do things a way they don't want to, especially when it has nothing whatsoever to do with you or what you do at any given second of the day. I mean, hey, if you think it's lousy, you're aloud to say that, but you have no place to tell other people that they ought to be doing things the way you prefer. Piece of really good advice that never hurt anybody: -blam!- off.
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Edited by Reichlyn: 11/27/2014 3:06:21 PMOkay you aren't a kid. You're just a candy ass gamer who's afraid of real challenge. Take the easy cheesy way out ya chump.
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Completely random and off topic but I have been dealing with an individual who is exactly the way you described your grandfather and I haven't been able to put it into words until now. Thanks!
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Exactly my point. Byeeee
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Bye bye my lovely! Have a fabulous holiday and do give your grandmother a peck on the cheek for me. I always did enjoy that graceful woman's company.
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Lol exactly acting like a kid.
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Because they didn't intend on having him so stupid that he would walk off the edge instead of burn a little bit. The problem is they coded a pussy of a boss and they couldn't -blam!-ing handle it. Learn to -blam!-ing code and test better. Stop blaming the players for exposing shitty -blam!-ing mechanics.
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Irrelevant
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Edited by Ve7n00m: 11/27/2014 2:10:53 PMBecause they didn't like people doing it, because they want people to kill him with bullets! Pushers didn't hack the game in any way, shape or form they exploited the bosses/boss arenas mechanics. The Raids are Bungies golden ticket in Destiny, they're proud of them, people pushing the hardest boss off the edge made their game design look stupid, they didn't want to look stupid so they put 'baby bumpers in' yet people still push him off. They designed the boss fight badly by allowing pit falls to be part of the arena, all people did was use them to their advantage.
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You sir are an idiot.
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When you push an enemy off a ledge, he isn't accidentally falling off. Point is invalid.
