Definitely not impossible just a lot easier. 4 30's would be ideal such that no matter which 3 get teleported there will always be a 30 inside to grab the relic. [b]A lot of times it does not matter about skill, rather, the spread/placement of the enemies in the portals[/b]. When you get teleported to Mars it is pretty easy to do the relic if the hobgoblins are clustered together - 1 jumping shield smash can hit all 3. If they're all spread out on the other hand you will most definitely take 1 shot or more. THIS is when the 30's really become important. Same with Venus - if you can shield smash the praetorian and 2 goblins at the same time the goblins will die and you just finish off the praetorian. If they're spread though, you'll have to focus on killing the praetorian while the goblins shoot you in the back. A lot of times they're too far to the left or right of the stairs for the other two oracle guys to run down and help. EDIT: I think the real question is, [b]if two people were equal skill and one was 29 while the other was 30, which would you rather take?[/b]