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11/4/2014 6:23:26 AM
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No. When people say "we are the darkness", I have to dismiss automatically.
Maybe folks get that from some other place in time and theory. It has been argued that when you reach a higher level of consciousness, the difference between good and evil is non existent. Yet, I think that is just malevolence in its execution.
If we are the darkness, then no Guardian should be able to wield light in their armor and in the work they do. Guardians are of the light. Light is never the power of the darkness. The power of darkness is the darkness. Turmoil and pain. Grief and despair. Darkness despises light for it has been cast from it. Darkness is ugly, mutilated and tormented. Look at the hive, which resembles demonic creatures. Their bodies are twisted, they have claws and even the creation of their Ogre's are done in extreme pain to the Orge itself. That is not the way of the Light. The Light creates with mastery and the formation of such things it has brought forth into existence, in its inception of creation, is not done with malevolent intent. It is the creation's choosing which brings it to the darkness.
Even in raids, we ask for people to be Level 27 and higher, for that we need stronger light to combat that which comes from the void.
The only ones that possibly resembles anything remotely to your theory is the Warlock class. For they walk the fine line between the light and the dark. Yet it is their own principles and beliefs that keep many from not completely succumbing to the temptation of the void and darkness. Yet many Guardians have fallen to its temptation.
LOL, it can be argued that the darkness, with all of its temptation and false truths, has even ensnared you into its own beliefs that its existence is good. Those who walk in the light knows that could never be. Darkness has no light. Never has and never will. Yet it will constantly tempt those who does so that they may fall into their misery. Like a spoiled child punished, it will do whatever it can to make others suffer like it suffers.
Us true Guardians do not believe in the words you speak.
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Edited by malsamax: 11/4/2014 6:45:13 AMI do believe that to some degree at the very least that light is not the devine power that the traveler makes it out to be. I believe that in the theory that we are the 'Darkness', I don't think it is referring to the [i]power[/i] of the darkness, but more of the principle of it. It would be more likely that we [i]serve[/i] the darkness i.e. The Traveler. It seems also that the light is not the creator of life and existence but the darkness, the Black Garden is a place of life but a place of dark power. Light resurrects the dead to kill and do nothing more than kill. The darkness is a power of life. Light is a power of death. In this sense, we are the entity that is the Darkness or at the very least, serve it. I can only quote Pujari when the Ghost grown in the Black Garden spoke to him. [quote]The Traveler is life, I said. You are a creature of Darkness. You seek to deceive me. But I looked behind me, down the long slope where the blossoms tumbled in the warm wind and the great trees wept sap like blood or wine, and I felt doubt.[/quote]
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I know you think that, as I have read your theory. But it really makes no sense. Why would darkness set out to destroy itself?
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I don't, I think we should really name the Cabal/Fallen/Vex/Hive something else here to clear things up. Let's just call them the Races. There is a difference between the entity called the 'Darkness' and the power of the darkness, within the grimoire cards. It seems at though the entity that is the Darkness is the name given to whatever wiped out humanity. Possibly and probably the Traveler. However the power of the darkness is what the Races harness. It is also the power of the Black Garden and the power that created life. I believe, as some theories on this thread have suggested, that the power of the darkness also acts as a cleansing force in our universe, sent out to destroy any foreign entities that do not belong in our Universe, acting as a sort of immune system. Since both the Traveler and the power of 'light' are clearly not from our universe, they are targets of the power of the darkness. (And therefore the guardians) Some other theories have explained this much better than I have. I suggest reading those.
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Darkness is basically evil intent. Like the Covenant, which held different races of aliens who agreed upon one goal. While each enemy has a different intent, they are a part of the darkness. Each and every are conquerors by force. None are friendly. Each and every enemy we have faced have looked to destroy humans and has been close to bringing us to extinction. The collapse of the Golden Age is evident. The darkness could not be a "cleansing" force...that is just as radical of a thought as the Covenant's, who believed the cleansing would have them ascend to a higher plane of existence. Yet their action destroys all life instead of working to elevate it. Interesting theories that you have though. I just don't think they make sense in the context of Destiny. Mainly being that there is no way darkness would seek to destroy itself.
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Without light there can be no darkness
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Are you implying that light is the cause of darkness? Selfish pursuits is the birth of darkness. The Traveler's will does not create darkness, its creations' own pursuit of power, lust and ignorance creates darkness. Or maybe you were just saying...I don't know.
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Light casts shadows, now I'm not entirely drawn to the traveller being evil as such. (Have we even had any proof that it is a living thing?) but I believe there is something up with the speaker. I think he is the evil, we were raised back from the dead in his image. Hence the vex etc wanting to take out humanity. Why do the enemy have parts of the traveler? Because the traveller is a warmind/weapon of the speaker and so they are preventing it's use.
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Shadows are the replica of light. It tries to be light. The Speaker thing? Well, all humans are susceptible to such negative energy because they are not built entirely of light. So if the Speaker has some skeletons closets in the closet, I can believe that. But it wouldn't make sense that The Traveler has chosen him to be his voice, unless there are missing parts to the story. Why does the enemy have parts of the the traveler? Because darkness knows that true power comes from the Light. Don't mean to get religious here, but look at the crosses being inverted. 5 point stars being turned upside down. It is of the same relation. Darkness is the perversion of Light. Unless I didn't understand what you were expressing, then excuse me, please clarify.
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Edited by malsamax: 11/4/2014 7:51:24 AMWell with that description of darkness, light could be the perversion of darkness. I mean darkness is everywhere until light casts it away, it interrupts the darkness. Our outside influences could really decide how we look at what darkness/light are in the destiny universe. Objectively, it seems light appeared with the traveler and disturbed something in our universe that caused humanity to be wiped out. By light I mean the power of light to be used as a weapon, not the energy the sun produces or a lamp beside your bed
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Only the speaker says he/she or the next one is the speaker for the traveller. So he could easily be lying wouldn't you agree? And you are right but that further proves that light creates darkness. And in a sense the inverse too. We all know the speaker is evil, the question is what is the traveller really and why are we following this faceless guy blindly. It's the speaker, he's evil :)
