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(most of you forum vets already know this, but just wanted to be sure some of our newer folks don't think that this is official or some kind of Bungie PR/marketing thing)[/quote]
Guys and gals, especially those of you complaining: If you expect DeeJ to read and respond to your long posts re Destiny feedback, then you have the time to read this post and give it some consideration. Please do.
Having been pretty involved in this community for over 8 years now, and being one of the few who has the responsibility of dealing with the community on a large, broad scale (rather than only participating in topics that interest you, like most community members have the luxury of doing), I feel like it's important to say three things here. I'll try to keep it reasonable in length:
[b]1. The volume of feedback from the Community is overwhelming. Responding to everybody is impossible.[/b]
This is easy to prove/demonstrate, and anyone can try it. Go to #Help for just 15 minutes and try to answer questions. When a question pops up in #Help with no replies, go find the answer (it's usually available somewhere), come back, and type the response in a polite and helpful way. Then try to answer as many as you can in 15 minutes. Then imagine that this level of volume and work NEVER stops. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Sounds like a lot for one guy (or even a small team) to deal with, right? Well keep in mind -- that's just 15 minutes in only [i]one[/i] forum. DeeJ's responsibilities have him keeping track not only of #Destiny, #Feedback, #Help, #Clans, #Bungie, and #Community, but also of dozens (maybe hundreds) of other Destiny-focused gaming communities around the Internet and with gamers around the world contributing 24/7, in a dozen language. Add in live tweets, Twitch chats, and social media with the comments of millions of people who have bought the game, and you can see that the volume of commentary is insane. It might be possible to monitor all or most of it, but responding to all of it is simply not going to happen. It's probably unreasonable to expect a response at all -- it is DEFINITELY unreasonable to expect an in-depth, detailed response to your particular comments.
Still doesn't mean he (and, in turn, Bungie) is/are not listening.
[b]2. Specific answers and future plans could be more harmful than helpful.[/b]
This one may stir the pot a little bit, but DeeJ's broader answers ("we're listening," "we're working to identify and resolve issues," etc.) are far more preferable than specific answers ("we've heard your feedback about X issue and we'll have it fixed by doing Y in Z number of days"), in my opinion. Why? Because this complaint:
"Bungie won't tell us what they're planning with any specificity!"
is far better than this complaint:
"Bungie LIED to us and made us false promises!"
You are sophisticated gamers. You already know that game development is a dynamic, ever-changing process. One tweak here might break another feature there (weapon balance). Patching one obvious exploit may simply lead players to discover 10 new ones (loot caves). Projects to deliver new content can be delayed by test problems, bugs, employee departures, and a whole host of other things. Sometimes they get scrapped entirely for any variety of reasons.
Yet despite claiming to realize this, Destiny players around the world have been quick to seize on pre-launch marketing materials and point out exactly what didn't make it into the game at launch. Take your pick -- "That's all gonna be explorable space," "Out here in the wild, this is how we talk," gear trading, factions, customization, etc. The resounding chorus has been accusations of incompetence, greed, or lies on Bungie's part. Yet every gamer claims to already know everything I mentioned in the previous paragraph. And just in case you didn't, every single marketing piece that came out pre-launch was marked with disclaimers like "All items, details, names, and pieces of random trivia are subject to change" and "Work in progress."
How quickly some folks seem to forget this when it's convenient for them.
But here we are again, right here in this thread and in hundreds of others, with some folks demanding, requesting, and sometimes practically begging for Bungie to "lie" to them by giving details of what they're working on. All of this despite knowing full well that these things might be changed, scrapped, or added onto. And remember that there is a demonstrable history in this community of some members making every difference between "still-in-development material" --> "final material" a reason to accuse Bungie of lying.
I'd urge you all to put yourself in the game dev's shoes right now instead of your own. And I'd argue that DeeJ's broad answers and reassurances that Bungie is paying attention and listening are a far more preferable way to proceed -- you might not get as much information up front, but you won't feel like DeeJ/Bungie makes false promises that they can't or won't deliver on.
[b]3. Bungie is clearly working hard on Destiny.[/b]
This is something that I doubt any of you would dispute, but that I suspect many of you don't remember. Bungie doesn't want to make this a bad gaming experience for you. Bungie wants you to have fun playing the game; they're not just sitting around counting piles cash and laughing maniacally. It is BLATANTLY clear that they are still working their asses off on this game and future content. Numerous employees regularly respond in these forums. There have been 4 patches to the game already and two long-term special events. New content is on the way.
Bungie employees entered into this industry specifically to make great games with a great team. If they only wanted to make money off of you, they'd be in a different line of business. Or making mobile games like Candy Crush. These guys and gals are gamers just like you, and they play games in the same way you do. When things are not ideal, they want them addressed just like you do. But as noted many times already, these things just take time and may (in fact are LIKELY to) experience delays in some cases.
In closing, my advice is to be critical and provide your feedback as thoroughly as you can. Good, critical community feedback can truly make a difference between good games and great ones, and nobody knows this better than Bungie (Halo vets will remember the old Optimatch Forum here on Bungie.net). But at the same time, please be patient, understanding, and reasonable. You're all still here because you're all still playing Destiny -- keep that in mind too and ask yourselves why. Thinking about the process of game development in addition to your own preferences and desires will help avoid temper flare-ups and anger that do not help anyone and, in fact, might make this whole process a lot harder.
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"dones't mean they are not working on it" = doesn't mean that they ARE HTF did you become a ninja
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Edited by Bitter Kevin: 10/22/2014 10:22:48 PMLOL you fail to prove in any way that they are actually working on stuff, and then call my points conjecture. gg optimist prime
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Let's assume they're not working on stuff. According to the Bungie-Activision contract they must release new content (DLC) sometime soon (Fall 2014 - Section 1A Release Plan). I see a problem here. They either breach their contract or our initial assumption was wrong. Reductio ad absurdum.
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Interesting how it takes three months to copypaste some bad guys into those fully rendered areas. "working hard"
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Honestly, if you don't like it, go play something else. I don't think you can "prove" the DLC is done.
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Nor can you "prove" Bungie is hard at work.
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No one can prove anything. So no argument works. Therefore the only answer is that no one knows anything, and those who say the are working on it( my opinion is this one, it's stupid if they aren't and highly unlikely ) and those who say aren't are speaking out of their asses. So just[spoiler]let it go....[/spoiler][spoiler]sorry for the frozen pun, I had no other way of wording that.[/spoiler]
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TC was speaking out of his ass. That was my whole point.
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That was the best bum fight I ever read through on here...the only thing I wonder is if they announced the dlc before the game was released? Why not just have stuck it in the game to begin with? Or released it free....oh wait capitalism
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Maybe because it was content ripped out of the full game in order to create DLC that did not exist yet. Hence, the nonsensical story.
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Hot fixes say what?
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Hot fixes say "we are extremely minor changes like spawn times that hardly qualify as hard work"