I'm inclined to believe the reddit posts, as well, because much of what they claim sounds very similar to stories I've heard from personal acquaintances inside id software during the development of RAGE, which was very similarly trashed by Activision. Maybe the biggest mistake Bungie made in Destiny's development was dealing with Bobby Kotick instead of running a page out of Brian Fargo's playbook (although admittedly, bungie teamed up with Activision like two years before inxile made history with their kick starter. Bleh. Facts.)

I'm curious as to how "free story updates" are somehow proven untrue? The game hasn't been out a month...

Because we've seen the PS4 bugged video, it shows all of the on-disc story content, even the levels not yet released. But all of them require one of the 2 payed expansions to play them, so there is not going to be any free additions to the story. Nor have they announced any plans yet in their schedule updates. Nothing new that's free on the disc, nothing scheduled, so it's pretty obvious free story updates aren't happening.

So in other words you're saying because it hasn't been announced its not happening? I'll just assume your emotion on the subject is clouding your reasoning. There have been many games with "unannounced" addons/dlc...to be clear I'm not defending anything here, but that reasoning is simply flawed. It's obvious the bug stuff was incomplete, any theories on how complete will be just that, Theory. Until said content is released and file size is known.

[quote]You know, I believe it, [b]but whether it's true or not hardly matters[/b] at this point because everyone believes it because it's the only thing that makes sense. This game was cut into pieces, there are disc locked sections and the story was supposed to be better than this. All of these are objective facts and if you can't accept that then you are feeding the problem.[/quote] Hey guys, I could think rationally , or I could just believe what everyone else believes whether it is true or not. I will call wild speculation based one Reddit post "objective facts," which are obviously not the same as the truth, but also they can't be argued with.

If you actually bothered reading my post rather than jumping to conclusions based on the only sentence you appear to have read, then you'll see I was referring to the fact that everyone Believes it cause it's the only thing that adds up. As such, this isn't just about whether it's true or not, but the reaction of the community begging for answers on a game that clearly [i]does[/i] have problems. These objective facts I posted go beyond the reddit post. The proof can be found all over Destiny's marketing, and the bugged video that revealed all of those disc locked locations.

The game has problems because it is slightly above average instead of GTAIII or whatever the hell everyone thought it was going to be. If it has problems, feel free to elucidate those problems. I have at length and in depth on these forums. Your post was nothing but speculation intended to fuel the nuttery running rampant in these forums. To wit: [quote]But I believe this 404 guy, because his tale makes the most sense; it's more than we've gotten out of Bungie, and it's certainly more than activision will ever admit too. And we have the evidence. Joe Staten leaving mysteriously. A new writer being signed on in Feburary. The old vidocs were rife with promises that never came to be, including free story updates and the story about the Crow. 404's tale is perfectly believable to anyone willing to analyze it with an objective, critical mind. [/quote] So, I did read your post at length. Your post ends with a bunch of baseless speculation put forth as the truth. You explicitly state that you subscribe to the conspiracy theory in question based on "the evidence." Of course, you don't let the fact that there is no evidence stop you. But what do I know? I am just one of the sheeple who needs to wake up to the truth. This one's for you Mulder.

So the fact that I have seen Saturn rendered in game, the fact that they promised a living open world but gave us 4 lifeless husks, the video showing playable reef locations, the video showing the Crow character and other voided story elements like free, regular updates to the chapters, the promise that all of the mountains of Russia were explorable, the fact that they discussed locations and showed concept art for Chicago and Europa, the ambitions to create a world as big as Star Wars and the comparisons to Lord of the Rings with regards to the story, the allusions to faction wars, and factions like Osiris and Seven Seraphs, [i]none[/i] of which is in the game isn't evidence pointing to the legitimacy of the position the AMA takes, that this game was horribly gutted compared to what we have seen?

Did it occur to you that Bungie might be really horrible at making open world games because they have never done it before? Did it occur to you that they thought this was a living open world game because they have no idea how to make that game? Did it occur to your they are equally bad at telling a story? Did it occur to you that concept art is just that concept art and has nothing to do with anything? A world as big as Star Wars? You do realize that Star Wars has been around for 30+ years at this point right? That would be like the Dragon Age developers saying they were going to make a world as big as D&D or something equally ridiculous. They never promised that the mountains of Old Russia would be explorable. They only said they could be someday if they wanted them to be. Saturn rendered in game. Great. Would not be a playable planet. The planet is mostly gas. So we are down to one video with a character that shows up in the game fulfilling another role and some vague allusions to some factions somewhere. Stellar work.

[quote]Bungie art director Christopher Barrett dubbed Destiny a “mythic science fiction” universe and shared a number of locales we can look forward to visiting: the Cosmodome Breach, the ruins on the edge of the European Dead Zone, the swamps of Old Chicago (likely a nod to Bungie’s original home city), derelict fleets floating in the [b]rings of Saturn[/b], the earth Moon’s Hellmouth, the uncharted depths of Reef, giant obsidian pyramid ships, mile-long tomb ships, and much more. [/quote] [url=http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/17/bungies-destiny-a-land-of-hope-and-dreams?page=2]IGN Article.[/url] [url=http://www.destinypedia.com/images/e/e1/Europa_desktop.jpg]Europa[/url] [url=http://www.destinypedia.com/images/e/e1/Europa_desktop.jpg]Chicago[/url] [url=http://www.destinypedia.com/images/9/93/Saturngame.png]Saturn, one of the very first things they ever showed. Was also stated be a place you could go in a vidoc[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9YoJjdEBv8]"All that stuff, If you ran out there, it's all playable terrain."[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OjUWw43co]Something you wanna go back to and explore, to have enough variety you never get bored.[/url] 0:35 You can go from the earth, to mars, to Venus, to the moon, to Saturn. 1:05 Your choice of character class and character race will condition the way that character's gonna evolve over time. 2:45 You here shots ring out, you look to your left and there's your friend; there he is, there was no matchmaking he just popped right in (even though this never happens without matchmaking) 4:14 we see a single Guardian ship traveling to Mercury in a cut scene, even though that's been cut for one multiplayer map only Just one example.The game that was advertised was not what we got. All you said in your post was one half admission that Bungie is actually a terrible developer and shouldn't have tried to make Destiny, and the other half willful ignorance of the promises made. So what is exactly are you trying to prove here? If you admit that they are a terrible choice for this kind of game, what's your point?

I am saying they delivered a slightly above average game that needs significant improvements. It is a common occurrence. Instead of whining like spoiled bitches, people should provide them with useful feedback for making the game better instead of coming up with crack pot nut job conspiracy theories. If you really think the game is that terrible, then take it back to Game Stop and pick up a game you enjoy playing. Spreading stupid bullshit around the forums and lowering the IQ of America by another 2 points by spreading this bullshit isn't helping anyone. Also, some other crackpot posted that article. Maybe you should read the -blam!-ing article: [quote][b]At the end of my day at Bungie, that’s what Destiny’s unveiling was all about: concepts. I was shown next to zero gameplay footage[/b] – perhaps a cumulative total of 60 seconds of in-engine materials (for the record, what was screened was damned impressive from a technological perspective – including a haunting base on the surface of the moon and a few beauty shots of Guardians overlooking the Traveler’s city), and instead the vibe seemed to be more along the lines of, “We’re Bungie. Trust us. We’ve got this.” [b]Bold proclamations were made and my imagination for what Destiny could become instantly began running wild.[/b] In truth, Bungie’s confidence in its new endeavor is warranted, given what it accomplished with Halo. [b]Still, the team did seemingly direct one nugget of caution at itself before the day was done: “We need to earn a big audience,” Staten said. “What [we] did before doesn’t matter.” He’s right. But what they do from here, [i]if it all works as dreamed up, could redefine everything for the next era of action games. We hope it does[/i], because the first-person shooter future Bungie imagines is one we want to live in[/b]. [/quote] Dreamed. Hoped. Zero game play. Imaginations running wild. What exactly people are trying to prove with this article eludes me, but there is absolutely nothing here to support the feces-smeared nuttery on these forums in the past couple of days.

You automatically assume this kind of thing can't be anything more than a crackpot conspiracy even though Activision is notorious for pulling this kind of thing, such as disc-locked content, and other companies have fallen to similar publisher-related issues, IE LucasArts. What exactly is your basis that this story is invalid then? The point isn't that the AMA is true or not, one of the first things I said was that at this point it doesn't matter, it's that there is overwhelming evidence that this game [i]was[/i] cut to pieces. Your entire post was dedicated to 2 things, yet again: 1st: That everyone going on about "nutty conspiracy theories are lowering the IQ of the country" (ad hominems aside you have yet to actually address why you feel as though it's all invalid) while assuming I think the game is terrible. I don't. I like the game, a quick look at my profile will tell you how much time I spend playing it, and I never said the game is terrible. I take umbrage with the game in that we were [i]promised[/i] something that we didn't get. Going to Saturn and learning about Crow were my two biggest reasons I wanted the game; I'm a story buff, but I got neither. I got an okay game that does nothing special. 2nd: You spend the rest of your post talking about the article, trying to demonstrate that the article was simply "hopes and dreams" which I knew already. I only used the article for one thing and one thing only: to explain how Saturn was going to be implemented in the game in response to your statement that it's just a gas giant, and to show all of the content that, and I quote, we could "look forward to visiting.". That's it, obviously I knew that the article was about hopes rather than facts, it's in the very title. But it's obvious looking at it how badly the vision changed from what it was over a year ago, lending credence to the AMA's position that the game was gutted. Yet you ignored the fact that my post was almost entirely dedicated to facts presented in other mediums, screenshots and scenes from the game that don't exist, game mechanics and other promises in just one vidoc that are void, and so on. Your entire argumentative platform is anchored around the idea that everyone who believes the AMA is stupid, and ignoring the fallacious personal attack inherent in such a statement, you further ignore the very real impact it had on the community. This is [i]not[/i] about whether the AMA guy was genuinely an employee at this point, it's all about the fact that his position is entirely sensible and valid; whether true or not, everything he says makes sense and explains what happened to the game as we see it compared to what we were shown. And hell, he even admits that there is understandable doubt cast over his legitimacy, that there are still things to be proud of, and actually warns [i]against[/i] boycotting it and the DLC because he knows that will kill the game, when he wants to see it succeed. On the other hand, he advocates [i]for[/i] the very position you take, that we as a community should provide the feedback needed to fix the game, and seems to abhor whining and non-civility. His behavior is completely inconsistent with a trouble maker and entirely consistent with an actual frustrated developer who just wants to see the vision come to life as it deserves. So how is that position invalid?

You weren't SHOWN anything. You took a bunch of concept art and spit balling dev talk and ran with it. That is the point. [quote]Yet you ignored the fact that [b]my post was almost entirely dedicated to facts presented in other mediums, screenshots and scenes from the game [u]that don't exist[/u][/b][/quote] Of course they don't exist. They were concepts. Not reality. Concept art and speculative talk about what might go into the game is not evidence that any of this ever existed or even exists at all. The fact is they made a slightly above average game. Why do you need some cloak and dagger narrative for this fact when you can get right to the heart of the matter: Bungie made a mediocre game. Get over it.

CUT MY GAME INTO PIECES THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

There is certainly a lot of sense to this interview. The only thing that does not make sense is a bungie employee having the interview in the first place. They would likely lose their job and perhaps legal action taken against them. It is more or less and admission that they destroyed their own game. I highly doubt any company would willingly admit this. Could be true though. If so, Bungie might as well as dissolve as a company because they certainly will never recover from the bad publicity of this, if these things are true.