I don't understand why so many people feel they have to 'defend' Destiny. Do they simply need a 'cause'? I mean, Bungie is not defending it, so they feel they have to defend it for them? So a person has stronger feelings about its shortcomings (and Destiny [i][b]does[/b][/i] have shortcomings) than others; so what? It's not like he's [i]wrong[/i]. It's his opinion and he's chosen to express it. So many people in this thread are attacking him, and frankly I just don't get it. Are you one who loves everything about Destiny? Ok, I don't share your enthusiasm, but I'm not going to attack you because of it. Objectively, Destiny is a good game with great play mechanics and an infinite amount of possibilities. Unforunately, 8-10 hours in you're pretty much repeating things you've already done. This is the truth, and it's quantifiable. You're fighting the same AI in the same maps but now you're doing it as a "strike mission" where the mobs absorb more bullets than they did before. They don't even really require a different strategy, other than you can't just jump in with both feet because you'll get one-shotted. You just have to be more careful, a bit quicker, and spray A LOT more bullets than you had to when you fought the same boss on the same map earlier (and this happens over and over and over with only the bullet absorption rates of the mobs increasing). Are you okay with that? Well, to each his own. I'm not going to fault you for it. I personally want more. I expected more. Does this make Destiny a terrible game? No, it's still a lot fun in many regards. But a complete game? I don't think so. I think, whether you agree with him or not, the OP has some valid points, expresses them in a thoughtful matter, and certainly does not deserve all the backlash he seems to be getting. There are many who don't overall agree with how he feels, but I find it hard to believe that even those who don't agree hasn't read a point or two that doesn't hit home to some degree, as Destiny certainly is not perfect.

TL,DR. Play for fun and you won't feel so butthurt about it you feel the need to bitch on the forums.

Too many edits!!!. Nerf edit option in the forums bruh.

Can we get a edit #10 just for edits?

Wtf to these people who right page upon page of text like anyone is going to read it all. If you can't sum up your point in a few sentences dont even bother.

Get over it bro. Cry to yourself not in the forums.

I was about to get really mad at you but edit 5 made me laugh. The beginning at least.

Idiot

I wasn't gonna buy this game till I played the beta. Hype is silly and can very easily, as is the case with this game, get the community's hopes up. When I hit the beta I knew exactly what to expect. The game is a little smaller than it should be and changes should be made. People griping about drop rate is really petty and isn't creative advice. You are right though, we did pay for more. Expecting people to be patient is not a very good move because you kill part of the player base. I personally expected more but whatever. Rehash isn't a good move either, at least addin a ministrike or something would have appeased a good many people, and to be honest, bungie does need to at least address they are looking into possible changes or shut down the possibility instead of playing the silent watcher. I am quite happy with my buy nevertheless- I sprung for the ghost edition, my first collectors Ed buy, but here's hoping they so what they can to make y'all happy with your purchases.

[quote]Too many members are saying that Bungie don't owe us this or that and that we should be grateful for 'free content'. This is not 'free content' It's all rehash. All of it. The purpose of Queen's Wrath is simply to shorten the dull grind, not expand the game. It doesn't make Destiny better, it makes it minutely more functional by guaranteeing better drops. Half of this community is willing to criticize the failings of this game. The other half retort with 'don't like it, don't play'. Such a comment is the reason that gamers are still stigmatized. We should be allowed to remark on the short comings of our beloved media if we are to see it improved upon. The other comment that is loathsome is this 'it's only been x weeks' shite. Yes, it's been so many weeks and Bungie have not acknowledged the many complaints we have in either of their weekly updates. It might take time for aspects of this game to be corrected, but it would take an hour for them to calm our nerves by addressing the issues the community is concerned about. Bungie seem up their own arse right now, trying to stay vigilant to their vision of the game. That vigilance won't be worth shit when the game world becomes next to empty. We ARE owed, because the hype machine has siphoned money from our wallets and gave us little in return. EDIT: The word owed met much backlash. Let me then use expected. Mere semantics. Extrapolate life lessons about the unfair world if you wish. I'm not talking about the world. I'm talking about a video game I would like to see improved. EDIT 2: Hype machine was hyperbole on my part. I'm no ignorant consumer. However, some of Bungie's vid docs are in direct contention with the way the game functions as present. EDIT 3: No, brother, I am not mad. I am mildly disappointed and keen on expressing why this is. EDIT 4: Yes I spammed this in to 4 other topics regarding this event. It does not make my points irrelevant, it makes me slightly irritating. F-uck the system. Everyone else does. EDIT 5: Having evolved beyond the abilities of a single celled organism I find I am able to both like Destiny and identify its short comings. The core gameplay is fun, but the methods of delivering that gameplay, world building and a bunch of fundamental mechanics are either missing or broken. EDIT 6: At no point did I claim to speak on behalf of others, any reference to other's opinions is based on my own observations. Regardless, there is a significant amount of players who are not happy with Destiny and feel it is lacking in several areas. An objective read through these forums and journalism outlets proves this to be so. EDIT 7: Video games should not be consumed passively. You literally have a controller in your hands when you play. The success of any game is dependant on the player base. Supping up the morsels of AAA titles sets a precedent for bad industry procedures. Expect better, get better. EDIT 8: Yes Destiny will be expanded for 10 Years. This does not excuse a weak and sparse foundation. MMOs are supposed to be built upon gradually, I fully understand that. However, individual expansions, including release, should be varied, well made and meaty. EDIT 9: When I refer to the community or use 'we', why do you assume that I am over extending my reach? Certainly half of the vocal community has been polarized by this game. The we are the many I have seen in these forums or journalism sites that share similar opinions. Of course I'm not talking about the silent players, why would I be so vain as to conjure assumed support from people I do not know? I'm not trying to force my opinion on you, nor ruin your enjoyment of the game.[/quote] Agree 1000000000%

I think a lot of criticism has really come off as unhinged and whiny. That is the issue. I am loving the game but even I admit that it a) fell short of the hype and b) could use some fixes. When people start saying stuff like "Destiny is a terrible game, blah blah blah"; it goes too far though. Not everyone has to like Destiny, it's impossible to please everyone after all. However, there is reasonable criticism and then there is just whining. You are definitely in the reasonable criticism camp. Personally, I'm pretty happy with Queen's Wrath even if it is primarily a way to "shortcut" the grind and get some good gear. That makes me happy.

[quote]Too many members are saying that Bungie don't owe us this or that and that we should be grateful for 'free content'. This is not 'free content' It's all rehash. All of it. The purpose of Queen's Wrath is simply to shorten the dull grind, not expand the game. It doesn't make Destiny better, it makes it minutely more functional by guaranteeing better drops. Half of this community is willing to criticize the failings of this game. The other half retort with 'don't like it, don't play'. Such a comment is the reason that gamers are still stigmatized. We should be allowed to remark on the short comings of our beloved media if we are to see it improved upon. The other comment that is loathsome is this 'it's only been x weeks' shite. Yes, it's been so many weeks and Bungie have not acknowledged the many complaints we have in either of their weekly updates. It might take time for aspects of this game to be corrected, but it would take an hour for them to calm our nerves by addressing the issues the community is concerned about. Bungie seem up their own arse right now, trying to stay vigilant to their vision of the game. That vigilance won't be worth shit when the game world becomes next to empty. We ARE owed, because the hype machine has siphoned money from our wallets and gave us little in return. EDIT: The word owed met much backlash. Let me then use expected. Mere semantics. Extrapolate life lessons about the unfair world if you wish. I'm not talking about the world. I'm talking about a video game I would like to see improved. EDIT 2: Hype machine was hyperbole on my part. I'm no ignorant consumer. However, some of Bungie's vid docs are in direct contention with the way the game functions as present. EDIT 3: No, brother, I am not mad. I am mildly disappointed and keen on expressing why this is. EDIT 4: Yes I spammed this in to 4 other topics regarding this event. It does not make my points irrelevant, it makes me slightly irritating. F-uck the system. Everyone else does. EDIT 5: Having evolved beyond the abilities of a single celled organism I find I am able to both like Destiny and identify its short comings. The core gameplay is fun, but the methods of delivering that gameplay, world building and a bunch of fundamental mechanics are either missing or broken. EDIT 6: At no point did I claim to speak on behalf of others, any reference to other's opinions is based on my own observations. Regardless, there is a significant amount of players who are not happy with Destiny and feel it is lacking in several areas. An objective read through these forums and journalism outlets proves this to be so. EDIT 7: Video games should not be consumed passively. You literally have a controller in your hands when you play. The success of any game is dependant on the player base. Supping up the morsels of AAA titles sets a precedent for bad industry procedures. Expect better, get better. EDIT 8: Yes Destiny will be expanded for 10 Years. This does not excuse a weak and sparse foundation. MMOs are supposed to be built upon gradually, I fully understand that. However, individual expansions, including release, should be varied, well made and meaty. EDIT 9: When I refer to the community or use 'we', why do you assume that I am over extending my reach? Certainly half of the vocal community has been polarized by this game. The we are the many I have seen in these forums or journalism sites that share similar opinions. Of course I'm not talking about the silent players, why would I be so vain as to conjure assumed support from people I do not know? I'm not trying to force my opinion on you, nor ruin your enjoyment of the game.[/quote] I agree with you. I paid money for a game I'd be happy with. Instead I got a game I was happy with for a few hours and now I have to wait a certain time frame for an expansion to come out. Time to grind.

Hi, it's me again. Here's some of the criticisms some of us have, but relayed by Yahtzee. Maybe it'll be more convincing coming from the funny internet man. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/9749-Destiny-Review-Bungies-Halo-Followup

All i ask actualy is more bounties variety , and interesting boss mechanics , is it that hard that instead of having adds over adds over adds , we have a boss with high mobility and for example we need to kite him to a precise location to shoot an acid barell to stun him for 5-10 sec .. Hell even a Vex boss with weak point that change location after you destroy it , and having the posibilty to be able to go toe to toe with a boss if you go all melee/armor , right now all we can do is aim a crit spot and spray bullet for 20 min.The possibility are almost infinite but for now we have monotonous Strikes . I play everyday and have a blast but it wont take long till the fun part disapear and the 'work' for gear is robotic and emotionless.

It's an [i]event[/i] you idiots. It [i]comes[/i] with the game. The expansions will have actual content and will cost actual money. God, some of you people don't know a thing.

1. I'm sorry you have grievances with the game but expressing those concerns rationally rather than complaining about those who disagree with you is a much stronger instrument for change. 2. "Half of this community is willing to criticize the failings of this game." Any proof on this? Because saying 50% of the consumer community is outwardly criticizing the game is a bold statement. The only information I have seen on this front is two different Gamestop employees saying their stores have seen fairly few trade ins.