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9/15/2014 9:43:53 PM
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Story Theory (Y cant i hold all these SPOILERS)
Ladies and gents strap yourself in, its all about the plot today... and im probably way off but: The black garden appears to be a terraformed Mars, (due to the way the grimoire refers to the flowers and an iron planet, if you didn’t know Mars is red from Iron Oxide) i assume its mars long before the beginning of humanities Golden Age, or long after, The vex discovered the garden and within it the darkness; but there are also mentions of a gardener (referred to as a her) with great power. The warlock Pujari had visions of the garden while sinking in the waters of the shores of time.
I can’t accurately speculate on what the content of the garden is, but it is obvious destiny is all about being cryptic. Halo was equally as cryptic, but in the long run predictable.(the first hint being the vex, and then the strangers rifle, its apparently made of tech that isn’t invented yet, touched by strange power)
Anyway back to mars, during humanities Golden Age, which sounded like a boss ass time, humanity stretched to the corners of our solar system, The chinese discovered mars, and the Ishtar collective research team on Mars discovered the vex, in the form of inactive vex husks buried in the sandy ruins.
Ishtar begin experiments on a still functional vex and discover that inside the vex is producing an extremely detailed simulation of a research team on mars discovering that a vex is simulating them. (i know right now were getting into tricky stuff)
At this point they call a Warmind (presumably RASPUTIN) to enter the vex simulation to stop the vex being able to predict their behaviour, because a warmind is perfectly unpredictable, at this point the grimoire stops in detail but its safe to assume the previously dormant vex react to the warminds presence in their simulation and thus this is the action that begins the collapse of the golden age.
from here we have a possibility worth mentioning.
we could just be fighting an ancient, time travelling, evil, which would complicate things by creating undesirable IMO multiple timelines, shit fans will never keep up with OR
given the networky, universal, streamy, data-flowy style of the vex so far, Destiny could be playing out entirely INSIDE a vex simulation.
this would explain the vex ability to cheat persey, bending the laws of physics to appear out of nowhere from unknown spaces in time; because they are literally the admin-bots of the universe as we know it. hence why theres no memory of the collapse, humanity was pulled into a simulation, and now our reality is out there somewhere.
Back to the vault of glass, now lets assume the vault of glass represents a nexus in time, a vex simulation hub containing pieces of information on all possible futures based on the outcome of an given simulation. I say this because inside the vault there are Vex from both the multiple distant futures and the distant past, according to the grimoire. The powers the vex have inside the vault, such as an ability to make things “un-exist” apparently don’t work outside the VoG. This would support the Sims theory. The fact ghosts can resurrect long dead people also make me wonder if the Traveller isn’t a third party, meddling in a vex simulation by storming around trolling our robot enemy by bringing dead players back into the game.
I can’t explain the garden’s place in all of this, the nine’s shadowy illuminati-like presence in the world should also stir thought, as they are rumoured to be god-like creatures from the seas of the moons of Titon and Triton. They could be heavily string-pulling. all we need to know is exactly how the collapse went down, and we will have an answer.
Nothing is as it seems in Destiny, RASPUTIN could be the only human made entity in the whole universe that still realises its in a sim, hence why ive got $5 on us needing to find rasputin on the moons of saturn in a coming expansion so he can tell us this. I just thought it would be interesting to share what I’ve managed to come up with by paying attention to all the subtle hints in the grimoire!
It will be cool to see where Bungie take this.
Comment what you think below!
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10 RepliesEdited by XGNRenegadeRecon: 9/23/2014 10:19:02 PMSPOILER ALERT. CURRENT STORY LINE MATERIAL SHARED WITHIN I'm wondering if you've considered a few things an(if not) what your take on them are. Before I start, let me say the biggest tool they have to hiding the truth is it is never clear what is just a metaphor and what is litteral? Ghost fragment, traveler 3: "The knife had a million blades And you were giant, powerful and swift. But the knife pinned you. Cut your godly flesh away. Very little was left, you are sure, because you feel insignificant now. The hard slick heart of your soul: That is what remains. A body small as a river stone, and just as simple. You picture yourself as a piece of indigestible grit, a nameless nothing hiding among other nameless stones. Perhaps you glitter like a gem, yes. Pride makes you hope so. If only you could see yourself. But you have no eyes. Not the dimmest sense survives. What lives is memory, and what slim portion of these thoughts can you trust? The knife stole much more than your body" From this gather that the Traveler is physically and metaphorically not whole. Either the floating Traveler is the Body (more likely I feel) or the soul. If it is the body, are you the soul? There seems to be much symbolism here to suggest that. Even without this, the Traveler was once whole and has a clear enemy (will come back to that later) made of a large number of many small blades. (thus the imigary of many knives, like schapels, cutting into the body to remove a part of the soul). What about the stranger, her gun is easily explained after she warps away in the direction of TA-DA-DA-DAAA!!! the Traveler. While the Speaker may be the Traveler's voice, the stranger may be it's hidden dagger in the dark. So advanced gun is potentially just mode traveler tech (another card makes it clear it had many many many more secrets and tech to share with us. Ok, so here are the two that made me want to post at all: Legend: The black garden I am Pujari. These are the visions I have had of the Black Garden. The Traveler moved across the face of the iron world. It opened the earth and stitched shut the sky. It made life possible. In these things there is always symmetry. Do you understand? This is not the beginning but it is the reason. The Garden grows in both directions. It grows into tomorrow and yesterday. The red flowers bloom forever. There are gardeners now. They came into the garden in vessels of bronze and they move through the groves in rivers of thought. "I am Pujari. These are the visions I have had of the Black Garden. The Traveler moved across the face of the iron world. It opened the earth and stitched shut the sky. It made life possible. In these things there is always symmetry. Do you understand? This is not the beginning but it is the reason. The Garden grows in both directions. It grows into tomorrow and yesterday. The red flowers bloom forever. There are gardeners now. They came into the garden in vessels of bronze and they move through the groves in rivers of thought. This is the vision I had when I leapt from the Shores of Time and let myself sink: I walked beneath the blossoms. The light came from ahead and the shadows of the flowers were words. They said things but I will not write them here. At the end of the path grew a flower in the shape of a Ghost. I reached out to pluck it and it cut me with a thorn. I bled and the blood was Light. The Ghost said to me: You are a dead thing made by a dead power in the shape of the dead. All you will ever do is kill. You do not belong here. This is a place of life. The Traveler is life, I said. You are a creature of Darkness. You seek to deceive me. But I looked behind me, down the long slope where the blossoms tumbled in the warm wind and the great trees wept sap like blood or wine, and I felt doubt. When my Ghost raised me from the sea there was a thorn-cut in my left hand and it has not healed since" The Traveler first came to Mars, not earth, as we see in the opening vid. And THE TRAVELER was the one who terraformed it. Also, in the opening vid, they had a gun. I suggest they came to mars specifically to look into the Traveler and what it was doing. Their gear seems MUCH lighter than what we currently have. I propose they knew it was terraforming, and were checking it out. There is so much more here, but I am running out of time before I have to go (as well as getting embaresed from all my sure spelling mistakes. Grammer trolls, I know a fail, don't waste your time.) I don't even have time to share the others I've read Summery: I think the Traveler was made by an infinate power, a "Queen" who built a tower. Her people climed the tower to learn of the stars. And the Traveler was made stronger than any other. There were two more queens. One of them made laws that were equal and good. Potentially carried out by smaller traveler like creations. Then the third queen. She built a large army, and she conqured. I propose that Queen of the tower sent the tower (Traveler) away before it could be conqured. The Traveler ran, and found man. For whatever reason saw hope in man, but knew darkness would come and conqure. So it first went to mars, terraformed it and provided an amazingly strong gaurdiner (possibly something that traveled with the Traveler). AND MADE THE VEX. Explaining their great power of simulating. The puropose of the vex was to act as protectors when darkness eventually came, filled with small shards of the light of the traveler that would grow over time. Then the traveler moved to man and worked towards prepareing them. Skip lots of little things cuz time Darkness came, and corrrupted the vex, they swung from pure light guardians to it's enemy. But the darkness (the large army) and it's take over of the vex had an unexpected effect. The went from such brilliant light to such great darkness, coupled with the slightest shimmer of light still working on them from deep inside, they became the darkness that swollows the dark. The black hole in the army of darkness, and potentially part of the only reason the darkness did not gain a 100% vicotry. A darkness so deep it attacked the rest of the darkness' forces. In a great move of startegy, the traveler allowed the vex to wreck havoc on darkness and, knowing if any more vex left the black garden, took it from mars and threw it into the waves of time, to keep the vex contained as much as possible. With the darkness' forces greatly crushed they made one final push on the traveler. In their attack the tore away it's flesh. Maybe the flesh of it's body, or the flesh of it's soul. At this time one of two things happened. The traveler realized what would happen and split body and soul willingly to strike the shattering blow to darkness. Or another side effect of I'll thought out actions. Stab enough knives into a stone tower enough times and it will crumble, on top of you. I have soooo much more but I have to go. Let me know what you think and we'll keep working on this. Edit: a friend and I were talking. We've agreed that the stranger is not a minion of the traveler, but rather the queen of laws. She is neither light nor dark. She has rules that she lives by. And seems to be working with the traveler (the enemy if my enemy is my friend). So she works with the traveler, but is an agent of the Queen of laws instead.
