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9/22/2014 6:25:09 AM
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1. Terrible suggestion. Only 2 maps will ever be played and I guarantee you they'll be maps catered heavily towards shotgun users.
2. No one wants to hear little kids shouting and crying because they got killed, or hear some guy with extremely loud background noise and the guy doesn't realize his mic is plugged in.
3. If you want to fight your friends do it in rumble, otherwise I don't see a point to it.
4. Item trading will be the worst thing ever. No lifers will farm the cave for days, then SELL their exotics and such for large amounts of real world cash. This creates a Pay to Win scenario. Every item you receive has a story behind it. My Thorn has a very angry frustrating story behind how I obtained it. Its not interesting when someone asks, "Hey how did you get that Exotic weapon?" and you reply with, "I bought it with mommy's credit card."
5. You really don't put any thoughts into your solutions do you? First off guaranteeing legendary items for people with top game kdr creates a snowball effect. This causes those who are OP to stay OP while no one can progress further. Secondly KDR shouldn't be the only factor. This is not CoD. You can have poor KDR and still contribute in modes like Skirmish or Control. Loot is rewarded with hard work. It is called Rep and Marks which you can use to buy the legendary item you want. The cave farmers are just people who only know generic MMO farming rather than understanding how Destiny's game system works. This is why they stay the level they are while people who've figured it out are off doing raids and bounties. Lastly, this should have been your suggestion. -Higher contribution=Higher CHANCE at loot, Lower contribution=lower CHANCE, and No contribution=No CHANCE.- Just add up everyone's total scores then divide them by 100% and if you did 70% of work on your team you get 70% chance. Now if you are on the winning team, the rarity of the loot should of course be higher.
6. All bugs must be fixed of course.
7. Limiting the Glimmer is suppose to give you another thing to do, another task. Plus have you even thought of how 999999999999 would look on your screen? Numbers would cover over text and it would be a mess. Glimmer isn't hard to get. Limiting it is great because once you run out you will gain more just by playing the game and refill it in no time. IDK why this even upsets you. Your suggestion is all about BUY BUY BUY your way to the top isn't it? Put some work in yourself and maybe you'll feel some form of accomplishment. Why waste glimmer on an engram only to get a chance at the item you want when you can simply get it from the faction npcs with this little thing called Marks? Maybe you're just too lazy to earn your rep.
8. After the first play through, yes.
9. Agreed about that bounty, but if you're talking about exotic bounties, they are hard but you can complete them. Doing so generally leads to an interesting story on how you got that item.
10. Dismantling engrams is a way to cut corners. This alone makes me think you are a cave farmer. Dismantling a legendary engram to mats you would get from a legendary item is simply cheating. That engram could be a mote, or an uncommon or something else. You are just too lazy to comb through your items. What should have been the suggestion here is an option to LOCK favorite items. This could let you go on a dismantle spree without accidentally dismantling legendary or exotic items. Since 2 weapons can look identical with the same name but different stats, some people might accidentally delete the wrong one. Its like telling twins apart. Very similar, but slightly different.
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This guy knows what's up.
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Spot on. The only thing I think shouldn't happen in PvP is the same map back to back.
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After I read your first response I knew you didn't know shit about shit. I've literally play maps 5 times in a row anyways. Does your mom still pick your clothes out for you? I don't understand why people prefer being lead instead of leading.
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I agree with you. A lot of the things in the original post take away from the MMO aspect of the game and make it so you don't have to work as hard. There are so many people who just want an easy game and for everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. If Bungie made this game that easy people would be getting to lvl 30 faster than they already are.
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(sigh)...kids these days just don't know what work really is...Class of '87!!
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If you graduated in '87 that means you're around 45. What are you doing playing this game when you're 45. I'm not trying to be rude but I just find it a little weird.
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About the item trading --- I agree that there should be absolutely ZERO ability to buy in-game items for real-world cash. That's called micro-transactions, and it flat-out ruins games for everyone who doesn't pay into them. That being said, I think that player-to-player trading is absolutely workable. Allow us to trade items in a marketplace for in-game glimmer, or materials, or similar items. Even if we were only allowed to trade via the mail-bot, it would be much better than what we have now. Yes, there is a chance that people will try to use third-party sites to sell in-game items for real-world currency. However, it is fairly easy to track those individuals down, and ban their accounts for violating the ToS they agreed to...both the seller AND the buyer.
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im not talking about micro transactions im talking about just telling the guy ill give you 20 bucks and then he trades you the weapon. Its shady and it will even cause a lot of spam.
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Solution, time limit on being able to be traded and only traded to people in your fireteam when it dropped. Even WoW eventually put this in for instance runs and raids. SWToR has it as well. Even though they're BoP, they can be traded to people in your group when they dropped for like 90 minutes. I don't want an AH or real world money exchange. Look how it screwed up Diablo III when they had it. But, I could deal with being able to trade something I get, that isn't for my class, to a friend in my group when it dropped if they could use it.
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I have to agree with both of you guys for #5 - yes, this whole, AFK pvp farming is annoying - I get cave farming, i see why people do it, I dont care that they do it, I prefer to get my engrams my own way, but the afk people ruining matches has got to go. But, I dont agree it should be based off of K/D ratio - EVERY shooter game and their mothers are based off of K/D ratio - I would love an increase to chances based off of score though - and for the people that also realize Kills give you the best score - well, just add more modifiers to help increase score - or even add modifiers based on what weapon you use, or what tier the item is (green, blue, purp, oj etc.) This would allow the new players using low impact, stability, range etc weapons. This would make it so the decked out players dont always have the highest chance at getting the best gear. The system is already in place, they have decent assist scores, you get extra points for streaks, for capturing controls, grenades. Idk im just throwing out ideas but I like the score determining chances at loot Idea.
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Edited by badreligion92404: 9/22/2014 7:29:34 PMI think you just characterized the whole debate about about cave farming and loot drops, its pretty much fpser vs MMOers where the MMOers know that you have to work for what you want and an FPSer want their abilities to be praised. The thing that the FPSer cant seem to get over is that none of the gear is exclusive to any set playstyle. FPSers want exclusive content that can only be obtained by them because they were good at CoD. The system that is inplace now is impartial and fair and everyone is just whining because the want some sort of recognition/advantage over everyone else. The system they want creates elitist who make a game very unpleasant to play, it make raid that you cant play because people won't take you because your gear isnt good enough, and the only way to get that gear is to run dungeons or do pvp until you get the gear (I dont like to always have to party in order to get what I want). Cave farming or any of the farming in destiny now makes it so that ALL players solo or party goers can get gear. These people don't like being told that they are not special, which of course they are not. The loot system is fine. The communication system (as it is close to nonexistent) needs work, either that or implement a LFG/ LFR option. And nightfall does offer the bonus that suits it.... your almost guaranteed a legendary or at the very least ascendant material (which I can argue that those are so much more valuable then the actual legendary...). As far as trading is concerned, the only trading that should occur is the one that is already in place a shared vault to give the class your not playing the gear you decript and cant use. Any other way and your creating a system where success can be bought or given.
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I agree with everything you said, except for the whole cavers ordeal. Now hear me out: I go to the caves NOT because I want to show off and frankly don't care whether or not I get good stuff, mainly because it all gets defaulted anyway in crucible. I do it because I need better stuff in order to contribute with my friends who do very OP strikes (their stuff is legit, they play everyday) whereas in my case I have to suffer through lvl 27 Knights with a low leveled gun. Yes, it does take away from the MMO aspect, but so does the fact that I could do very well in games and get first place often, and at best get uncommon guns. Of all 13 Legendary engrams I got, one was an actual weapon. Yes, it's cheap but I don't do it to show off, only to actually contribute to the fight in Strikes / Challenges.
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I have had the same issue with my gear. I have had to buy all my armor from vendors, because all but one of the 10 or so legendary engrams I have gotten have not given me legendary gear. I think that is what most gets me about loot drops thinking finally I can contribute and have a decent gun that may do the damage I need to kill stuff at my level, nope you get a level 16 gun.
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I was saying that the FPSer wanted to show off not the caver. I was saying the caver was just playing the game how they love to play and to just let them be not that they are show offs. I actually think that farming a cave is probably one of the most MMO thing you can do in this game.
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Why is it bad us people who do pvp want to be rewarded? I want to be rewarded in strikes for getting most kills/doingmost damage to boss/ most revives and so forth. Pvpers want items to be given based on how well they played instead of just rolling a number. I have countless times had a negative kda but had the most points through assists/point captures and i get nothing from it. What this post is talking about specificlly is the people who join pvp matches dp literally nothing and get s legendary while those who actually played get nothing. Thats what the OP was addressing. Just like in other fpses you lvl up base on how well you did in the match and just because you won the game.
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because that doesn't promote fair gameplay. it's not catering to the people who dont primarily just play FPSer, so yeah. The way it is now it leaves it completely up to chance, which how it should be. So make an AFK timer, problem solved. what your talking about is penalizing the people that suck, which mean you again want to alienate other people. That does not promote a good atmosphere in an MMO which this is. now maybe recieving a EXP bonus for doing really well in PvP and Strikes I can see and even agree with that. But if your primary goal is in playing this game is to just play crucible and expect gear, or just play strikes and expect gear, then you dont deserve the gear. You should be doing it all, bounties, missions, daily story, weekly strikes, etc. you should even be farming cave or something along those lines, otherwise buy the gear with marks. It only takes 2 weeks to get a full suit of legendaries and even a exotic weapon and armor. regardless of how well you do in crucible and strikes. If you dont have that gear by now you didnt spend enough time getting rep with the factions, which coulda been achieved by bounties alone. As it is the system rewards all players regardless of what they love to do and that promotes equality in players.
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Edited by Intruder144: 9/23/2014 11:29:20 AMSo i cant expect gear in an mmo related game in all the places that gear is expected. Ive played swtor for almost a year the only thing destiny did right with gear is that loot drops is personal. Instead of all 16 people in the raid team having to roll for a piece of generic gear that can be traded for your class gear. I sure as hell expect gear from a strike are we getting that? No. I dont want alienate those that suck ass in pvp. I want there to be an incentive that to make it so they stop sucking ass. Me and every other player who do well want to be rewarded for our efforts instead of some kid who didnt even help the team get the best gear. You may not of played many mmos but where gear should be in this game it isnt there. In swtor the better you perform in pvp the more pvp marks you get for gear. Here if your on the winning team you get 3 and on the losing team you get 2. You dont know how many teams ive been on the losing team but had the best score overall. Thats no small feat. But i dont get a reward for that the dude in last place gets a reward for sucking ass. Also im already past lvl 20 wtf is xp boosts gonna get me? A mote of light? If i want those ill just sit at cave. I play pvp because its fun but if im top of the leader boards i sure as hell deserve something for being top of the leaderboards. Maybe it shouldnt be a legendary everytime or an exotic. Id be ok with worth mats for upgrading so that its not only available in patrol
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you get gear, you just dont like how you get it, honestly it is WAY to easy to get gear in this game as it is, you can freakin BUY it. it is your fault that you dont already have all legendary either that or your a weekend player which is fine to, but if you are then you cant expect to already be geared like everyone else. That is just you being impatient, the game is exactly how it should be, and I am saying this after playing alot of crucible (in fact TWICE as much as you) and being on the top of the chart or atleast near there. I didn't expect to be rewarded for my good performance other then I would in halo, where I got a medal and gloating rights. As it is you are rewarded for even playing crucible and just that you should be thankful for but your not because why? you believe that you should be given special treatment because you believe your better then anyone else in this game, that is a RETARDED thought process. You shouldnt even be playing crucible to gear for end game anyway, and obviously the developers never meant for ANYONE to do so, although there are people that are. you have the possiblity of getting two-three pieces of gear every what 20 minutes, that is worst drop rate of ANY of the other method to gain loot. I do one strike for the same time and I get atleast 3 blues just from the mobs that I kill with the same chance of getting loot at the end. Regardless of a person get one kill and dies 35 times, they deserve the same chance you do, let the incentive be more exp gain (which I think is already in place). if you want gear go FARM, you dont have to if you dont want to of course its your game and you can gear how you want to, thats what the developers wanted so you could thave a story about gear. But you joined a game that is RNG for loot based drops which literally means that if you kill alot of enemies evntually your gonna get the geared. Have you even earned all the marks for crucible and vangaurd? have you gotten an exotic bounty from doing bounties everyday? I have gotten two of those and I am not even a daily bounty person... you want a reward for being good go do the bounty for the exotic weapon Invective, there is your recognition. you have to get a 25:1 kd in crucible. But from what I have seen you expect to put in half the amount of work I did to receive your loot and still be geared. you are lazy! the fact that you say what is xp good for end game, makes you EXTREMELY naive... do you realize how much work it is to level an exotic weapon?! I have been leveling bad juju and all I can say is wow, I have come to despise that gun... that is why Xur sells items that increase xp gain for weapons or have you not thought of that? You go do the work like everyone else because you have been rewarded for your efforts, you just dont like how LONG its taking. you dont like that it's a grindfest endgame and you want all the gear NOW. you are impatient. as far as mats go they makes those as hard as the thing your putting them on, which is ofcourse legendary. once you have all those legendary on your character all you have to do is get more so you can deconstruct them, you dont even have to identify it just deconstruct the engram from what i hear. Like I the system that is in place now is fair, you have to be smart when you gear, you have to play ALL facets of the game which of course includes farming. if you dont want to fine don't, but you have to live with the consequences of that decision which is you'll be gearing slower then those that do.
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You can buy gear in other mmos as well. I remember grinding for weeks with a friend in pvp in swtor just to get a set of armour for pvp. I remember waiting every tuesday in swtor to get the elite comms to buy the best gear just so thag i can go into nightmare raids to get the even better gear. And that took weeks to get. I bought the gear i understand the grind. I dont understand the lack of conistincy in otem drops. One way to fix the pvp gear drops is give more marks based on your points and remove gear drops and let there be a vendor who you trade your marks for all the gear obtainable in pvp. Its a widely used system in mmos that work.
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there is a vendor that you buy pvp gear... what you said is you want gear faster, it only takes about 4 hours to max crucible marks as it is and after 3 weeks you can buy Helm, legs, boots and chest. That is if you ONLY do crucible, that is fast.
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But im saying make all the gear that can be given from crucible and make it purchasable and get rid of its random drops to players who do nothing and increase the marks given to those who perform well. Clearly you dony understand this concept as mmos already use this system instead of giving gear in pvp you have to get the marks and save them for better gear
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why so you can buy exotics? that is a horrible idea. The crucible loot pool can draw from most the game just like farming the loot draws from most the game and strike too. I understand it and what I am saying is you already have it, they gave you items for pvp. in fact they gave you 5 freaking vendors just for pvp, versus the 2 for vangaurd. what your suggesting is just greedy. and im pretty sure we are only in season 1 of gear anyway and your already complaining about the 5 vendors you can draw from? Lmao if you like the other games loot pool so much go back to that game, stop trying to recreate games that just dont work for the rest of us thats why we arent playing them.
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You can already buy exotics. Your assuming i want it for a weeks worth of marks. Id be ok with saving almost a months worth of marks for one piece of gear. And again you dont understand. Every other mmo already allow you to buy the best gear possible in game with their version of marks. The only dofference here is that you can get gear by participating in a crucible match mind you i said participate not perform well. Because the snowball effect you stated earlier is better. If you dont like pvp dont play it so us who do enjoy it can play with people who will do it.
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but you can buy exotics as it is from pvp thats why some times you get strange coins, even in the gear you decrypt. You just have to wait for Xur to come around with his randomized exotic stock. You can literally do it all from pvp if you wanted to it just takes FOREVER. Everything youve said you can already do, the only thing I have seen that is strickly pvp is emblem and class item and shader, and those I suppose you can put in a vendor we already have one of those, I am sure she offer shaders from pvp. But like I said Bonus exp I can agree with that, the exp and rep in crucible is horrendous. Even in other MMOs they don't allow you do get ALL loot from vendors, just a specific Season, I'm most familiar with WoWs though I have played Swtor, DCU, City of heroes and villians, EQOA, terra, LoL, dust 514, EVE (now that a slow freakin game). I know what it takes to gear, and Exotics in this game are WAY to easy to get as it is, I can literally get the 13 stange coins in a day, or get the 23 motes of light for an exotic engram in 2, there were orange gear in WoW (shadowmourne) that took me MONTHS to farm all the mats for the stupid thing and then I couldnt even find a competent enough raid group in order for me to finish the quest line. The loots system in this game is a joke and yet I find myself drawn to it so much because it is the most interesting one I have ever experienced and I want to see what piece of gear I get next. I am finding that the more gear I get the easier it is to find more and more legendaries. Even the cryptarch isnt even screwing me now that its lvl 19 (or maybe that just cuzz I already have full legendaries and I am not as disappointed when i get rare.)
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I completely agree with everything in this response. I would be horribly disappointed if Destiny ever introduced a trading system. It would take away from the atmosphere and the role playing of the game. Powerful items are earned by those who wield them.
