[quote]Just wondering if there are people out there that realize that what we've played so far.. that 20+ hours you've put into this game so far is only the beginning? That the reason the "story" is lacking is because there really isn't one right now on purpose?[/quote] This is where I stopped, and actually its a great metaphor for how to sell a story. You see, if you can't convince people to read the rest of your narrative in the first few sentences, they wont. Same with a story. If you can't, from the first few pages or in this case, "20+ hours", to continue playing...they wont. We need grip, we need emotional investment. I want to know how "Chief" Survives, how he gets home, how he wins the war. This is the first story that sold Halo, why I've bought everyone thus far...if I cant get invested in Destiny's story...why would I continue it? General question.

There may be more to come, but realistically, get over the hype that its bungie, and think of it in terms of JUST the game. The story was not only short, but abysmal. there is no character arch to speak, even as a prologue if you wanted to think of it as such. Further more, after you beat this INSANELY short and bad story, you are stuck running the same dungeons over and over and over until you cant stand watching your stupid ghost scan things any more while you get shot at..... its horrid. The only saving grace could be the PVP, which isnt as good as HALO because you cant even do take downs or vehicle take downs..... its damn near a joke the status in which this game has been released. There is no in game support for clans. Not voice for PUBS. There is no story pretty much. You can only earn 100 points a week in any catagory, but each piece of armor takes 150 to buy. We are pigeon holed into farming a game that is so repetitive you could do it with your eyes closed. Iliterally ran four strikes tonight while watching a movie. Thats how little attention you need to play this game because thats how LITTLE ATTENTION BUNGIE GAVE INTO MAKING THIS SO FAR. There is a reason why Bungie is VERY VERY quiet about all the bad press and upset fans. Its not because the gamers and fans don't know that this franchise is just starting. We are mad becaues Bungie came out the gate showing their ass instead of putting their best foot forward. As an intro game after having a franchise like HALO you think its smart to release your first epic LIKE THIS?????? HELL NO its not ok. And I guarantee the investors and parent company made their phone calls about it already this week after seeing the reviews and posts by sites and fans. Its something that needs to be fixed before the franchise suffers a large blow on its flagship release. Fact is, starting next year, developers will begin to quickly phase out last gen systems, and already this year there are some hugely promising titles coming out that will decimate Destiny's ability to retain the player base and market with this game standing as it is now... a completely pointless grind for gear that all looks nearly the same.... The game does deserve more than a week to prove itself.... but Bungie dropped the ball on this release by giving us a sub par product upon release. I have indie games I have downloaded that are more put together and completed than this prologue. Its embarassing for the players who spent the money, and Bungie as well. I love bungie, and I DO have fun in PVP with my clan. But no more than I did on HALO, and at times less because of the problems with not being able to take down vehicles in combat. Once again, the game isnt getting the bad reviews because its bad. its getting them because in its best shape and form, played on a next gen console; it lacks in story, music, weapon diversity, acting, character arch, in game multiplayer support. Esepcially in voice and for clan structure. It deserves what it is getting. And I hate to say that as a fan of these games and Bungie.

You are looking at this through rose colored glasses. You love the game. You want to figure out a way to love the story. Try to be objective if you knew nothing about the game, and just had the cut scenes and the in game dialogue relevant to the story. You knew nothing about the developer, you are just sitting in a virtual screening room watching the story. Can you honestly say wow what a great story (or even a great prelude to a great story) I have played all the Bungie Halos and during all of those games there were times that i had to play the next level just to continue the story. They had great stories with characters that I emotionally connected with and cared about. they had betrayals and plot twists and managed to not only augment but at times drive the game play. The story was a disappointment too me. I had higher expectations because it was a Bungie game. I love the game, which is why I am here on the forums when I should be working. I don't think the story took anything away from the game I am just saying that I expected and would have liked more in that department.

I agree man! I am having a blast playing Destiny! There is so much to the game, there are so many different routes to take depending on how you want to play. I can honestly see Destiny keeping me busy for a loooooong time the way it is right now! Sure there are a couple things I could complain about but over all this is an AMAZING game where the time put into making it shows 100%! Of course, like you said, people are going to always complain NO MATTER what! The people that are not enjoying Destiny are the people that either didn't/haven't played long enough to even start to understand, or the small minded people that are too stuck in games like Call of Duty that wont give any other game a chance! There is SOO much more to these type of games then COD. I really didn't even to start to understand the game until I was level 20. Now, a lot more is starting to make sense to me, even though i still have a lot of questions! I am really excited to see what these guys have in store for us and for the future of Destiny! They have already told us the will support the game for 10 years. So its very obvious there is ALOT more to come!

"I mean hey, you beat CoD in 10 hours and then shoot each other on the same maps for half a year before complaining." ...My thoughts exactly :) Bungie promised a living world which will be supported with fresh content, and will be supported longer than the standard FPS game. The current story may be short, but I see a lot of replay value in doing story on harder difficulty settings, weekly heroic missions with modifiers, difficult raids which encourage social/clan play, etc. There's a lot of challenge to be had after one's first playthrough. Even little things like finding gold chests, collecting dead ghosts, grimoire, and doing bounties has been a ton of fun for me. Crucible is already a great PvP mode with room to grow as well. This may not be a massive sandbox MMO world as many gamers expected, but expectations aside, it's still a pretty big game with a lot of potential. I would argue it's bigger and has more promise content-wise than the average COD, Battlefield, or Halo game. Maybe it doesn't have the amount of story/lore as an Elder Scrolls game, but maybe this is only a "Chapter 1: Introduction" to an evolving story and universe. Personally, I'm excited to see how the story/universe develops over time.

Okay... I don't understand what all the complaining is about, personally I love this game. It looks incredible, plays great, connectivity is above standard; the action changes as you level up, get new gear/ weapons and abilities... yes might be same places and same enemies but it changes upon how you play and who you play with. As far as the "hype" goes Bungie has to promote and advertise the game like everyone else, it's called marketing people. With that being said it is sites like IGN that do the over hyping and yet (predictable as always) once the game comes out they tear it apart and give it a bad review which then sets off a group think consensus. That annoys me almost above everything else, they have specials and countdowns and exclusives with the game makers (who tell you exactly how it's going to be) and they never speculate they always say, 'oh it's going to be great' until zero hour then all of the sudden the game sucks... ? We played the beta 2 months ago and everyone was like, "oh wow this game is great" and it comes out for less than a week and people dump all over it... huh... why? Bungie kept saying it is not a MMO it is a cooperative online FPS with some RPG elements, not a full fledged RPG, not a MMO FPS (like Defiance) but a co-op FPS (like Borderlands). We are getting exactly what they said they were making and delivering on it as well. They said we're going to have raids and... that started today and a few days ago lined up a bunch of cool stuff stuff coming up with special bounties and events just for this month and they have a 10 year plan for this game... did anyone not hear that or can conceptualize what that could mean beyond just a different colored sparrow? That means (to me) that they have a bunch of things planned down the pipe line, it has been one week exactly, not everyone is level 26 and bored, I get to play 8 hours a week and my only character Titan just hit lvl 18, it is a progression, a grind. I love it when one of those orbs drops, and I just found a blue one and seeing what it is, it is not always useful but when it is -- it is that much more exciting! I just unlocked the shoulder charge ability which has changed how I play the game and the multiplayer - it opened up new doors of play and I haven't even unlocked all of the abilities of that sub class yet and I still haven't even began to look at the defender class yet so once I max out I can start that and it'll be like starting with a new character! To me that's awesome. I understand people are leery as we've been burned before with empty promises like Defiance with it's long patch updates, sub par graphics, lack of customization, map that could expand yet never does nor plans to do so and pay to win micro-transaction system; GTA online that boasted heists and still hasn't delivered on, or a wide variety of create your own mission content which limits you as of now to races and death matches, just adding a gun here or there, most of the content being time sensitive and no expansions planned past Christmas sweaters for X-mas DLC; and Aliens: Colonial Marines (the end)... But everyone wet themselves over Halo that spawned like what 5 sequels, OK well... this is the same company that has not let you down for 6 games of the same franchise, where you played the same guy with virtually the same weapons against the same enemies for 6 games where the only thing different was the multiplayer map packs which in the end was the only reason why people played Halo... Unlike here where you create your own character, change weapons, upgrade them, upgrade armor, choose your abilities and play your way essentially. Yes you have to go from A to B but you can take C-Z to get there. (For the record I'm not a Bungie fanboy as I hated Halo but I can appreciate the fan base and what the company/ franchise did for the industry). Look as a FPS what more could you want as far as missions go, Borderlands had basically just go here, kill that, come back or go here turn on switches, kill things while your there come back with the exception of your vehicle had weapons on it and you got tons more loot but that was their selling point to have over a million guns... which they did 100 versions of the same pistol that had varying damage, effects and elemental based upon level and random chance and 90% of the loot was useless... Destiny didn't promise that, they never said a million guns, they never said tons of loot they also explained why your sparrow doesn't have guns on it, but if you look around you might find a pike or two in the world. Does the game have some issues, sure, what game doesn't, like getting Vanguard, Crucible and faction points takes forever and ever and I have yet to find anything that gives you more than 50 points a pop for each and I need 1600 to get to 1 mark and a lot of the stuff is 2 marks, this type of grind should be held off until i need 3 marks just so I have a taste and know what I am gunning for (no pun intended). The different "models" of sparrows are the exact same design with a different paint job and ships are just cosmetic representation of how much cash you saved up and you only get 20 xp for killing an enemy even the higher level ones, lens makers don't grind so much. And yes the open world is confined to a limited area (as of now) but at least you have the option but think about it so was Borderlands ya you could open explore but you were limited by your level and by the story, nothing different here... couldn't reach Mars until you finished Venus and you'd run into enemies with ??? for a level until you were high enough to face them. There are only 4 primary, 3 secondary and 2 heavy kinds of weapons but the variation of them is expansive for day one plus to which you can improve and expand upon and make better. Do grenades, and supers take a while to reload yes... but a couple of things the grenades are powerful if you had more than one it'd take the strategy and challenge out of it and two you can make those reload faster by paying attention to how much strength, discipline and light (I think it is) your armor and accessories give you. Do the classes have similar play styles, same weapons etc but it is their abilities and how you combine them and use them that make the game play different, plus customizing your look for me is exciting. The game could use better microphone and chat, and I am sure eventually raids will be matchmaking despite Bungie stating that they wont be and proceeded to explain why, but after enough complaining down the road they'll probably give in. Here's the thing... it is week one of a 10 year plan, 1 down 519 to go, with two expansions already on the works to be released in October and December I think. Weekly and daily events, raids, strikes, public events (which they said the next update will make it so that they happen more often like in the beta), competitive multiplayer with what at least 6 modes and at least 10-12 maps and Iron Banner has yet to come out too for all you hardcore people who want to show everyone else the work you put into your character by literally dancing on their grave (which I find more humiliating than T-bagging as odd as that may sound). If you looked at some of the videos of the pre-release and especially the Grimoire on the website/ companion app you'll see that 3 more planets are coming to the game: Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter... in game it was said that Mercury was a tropical paradise then turned into a machine by the Vex, Saturn and Jupiter are both gas giants so no surface play unless ala Bespin but they do have lots of moons plus I believe Saturn will have an abandoned spacecraft to explore and loot from as it's initial area. The back of the cards for ships and sparrows in the Grimoire under the inventory section has a section for how many you have built... perhaps we can build our own ships and sparrows in the up coming future (I haven't used spinmetal, spirit blooms or helium canisters for anything yet, have you?). The ships have what look like multiple weapon systems on them, perhaps that'll be an expansion. Also, if you look in your inventory screen you'll see a third slot for a subclass, maybe each class will get a new one or maybe we'll be able to create our own by mix and matching the two we have to create the ultimate legend. The Reef has spots of what look like could be future places as well as the current planets have tons of room for expansion as we only play on a small section, I've seen Old Chicago noted somewhere for Earth. The game takes place within the entire solar system so... we still have Neptune, Uranus and Pluto to go as well. The darkness might have huge space stations... who knows! I haven't made it to end game yet but if everything isn't explained just yet story wise then perhaps with further expansions will come further story line as I am sure the darkness isn't defeated at the end of the core game and if people are 26 now after one week I bet you dollars to doughnuts the level cap will increase multiple times over the expansions. The point is the game is a week old, that delivered what it said it was going to do, from a company that has delivered time and time again without disappointment, cut them some slack and give them a chance.

I haven't even had a chance to start playing lol.

I would argue that intriguing as the world is, the game is lacking for 60$ because dont forget that every installment after, to "complete the game" is going to have a price tag.

People are mad because we didn't pay $60 for a intro to a universe. We paid for an entire gaming experience, the DLC's will make us pay even more for a story that should have been beefier from the beginning. They literally explained nothing in the story mode of the game. I enjoy the game but I was very disappointed by the lack luster story. Me and my friends even said "That can't be the end could it?" we couldn't even tell it was the end of the game. that's a bad thing. When you finish a game with more questions than answers. I agree there is more to do then just the story, but it got repetitive rather quickly IMHO. Feel free to agree with me or not, just how I feel about the game.

20 hours? I've put in 70 hours, and I'm still going! Vault of glass was epic last night, can't wait to push through some more!

I like this post so much, good work my fellow guardian

nope. lol