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8/20/2014 8:26:43 PM
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"Hey bro let's have a competitive clan vs clan match with Joe Schmo the Awoken Hoe"
"Ok cool, everyone make sure you are level 20 and have all of your motes of light saved up for when we want to buy Osiris coins"
Seems legit
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For competitive game in Destiny it is kinda must to be lvl20 any way even if there would be private matches or you would be in disadvantage alredy in begin, so i don't see your point. This is new way to make competition inside the game world while making it feel really important part of it. Unlike private matches which just would feel bit out of place. I am sure that there will come private match option in some point but Trials Of Osiris is the real competitive part of game.
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Destiny is desinged to feel like it sucks you in to this world and that's reason why i think bungie have been trying to avoid out of place feeling things like private matches and stuff. maybe when they update game once they have made "back story" for private matches, it will be avaible.
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Not even remotely. All gear is normalized, all you will miss is a couple extra special bonuses granted from legendary/exotic gear. Trials of Osiris is competitive. I didn't say it wasn't. But it is not a system implemented for clan v clan battles.
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exactly
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I'm pretty sure ToO with not have normalized gear. It will work like Iron Banner.
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No one knows this, and no one argued to the contrary.
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Maybe I misread the post I replied to, but you were talking about ToO and you said " All gear is normalized, all you will miss is a couple extra special bonuses granted from legendary/exotic gear." ...
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Trials of Osiris was a topic of debate, but that response was directed at this from OP: [quote]For competitive game in Destiny it is kinda must to be lvl20 any way even if there would be private matches or you would be in disadvantage alredy in begin, so i don't see your point.[/quote]
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Who would like to play with normalized gear in game like this even when there would be real competitive option for Clan VS Clan. In game like this your character is part of competition. You are taking part in competition as your character. Othervise you could just play COD or Halo. Special thing about destiny is your character.
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because competitive play isnt about who can no life the most to grind exotic gear, its about skill and teamwork when everyone is presented with an even playing field the best is shown via skill and teamwork not who grinded more for random loot drops
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Yeah...the special thing is your character. Not your gear. You customize your loadout however you want to make your character unique. Meanwhile, the guns are balanced, cooldowns are balanced, and your armor rating is balanced. That's what Iron Banner is for. Guns are removed and rules are changed to explicitly make competitive matches more balanced. Because the point of a competitive match is literally the opposite of your gear. It's about how good you are personally as a player.
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Gear is part of your character -.- If that is what competitive people want why don't they just play counter strike 1.6 and quake style games? Destiny isn't arena shooter.
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Destiny also isn't an MMORPG where gear is the only thing that matters. Point?
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Yes the meaning of gear in destiny is very trivial compared to MMORPGs but it ads subtle changes to your play styles. Destiny gear allows you to reload bit faster and use grenade/melee/super bit more often or some other minor bonuses. In WOW your characters stats in max lvl are 2% compared to geared version of same character. In destiny even with your gear it is still about 100% skill compared to wow which is all about skill rotation and gear.
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Literally none of your responses have had any indication of even reading my posts...but ok. WoW...ok, interesting. Your entire argument is based on the fact that you want gear to be the deciding factor in competitive gameplay. Now you say gear is trivial, and only adds subtle changes to play style. Do you even know what I mean by normalized? It means when I have 1200 armor and you have 300 you don't get shit on. It does not mean my armor abilty to reload faster is taken away. Even with gear it is 100% skill? Not unless it's normalized. Then it is 5% skill and 95% who has grinded the raid the longest and gotten the most armor points. Which is not what competitive PvP players are about.
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Edited by Esitaistelija: 8/20/2014 9:37:03 PMI have read your posts. I just don't understand why would you want to take option for added strategy from gear away. When you are lvl 20 your armor lvls dont difrent so much from other lvl 20 players. There might be some diference but it isn't so big. If top tier players armor would be 1000 ,then more normaly geared players armor would be probably around 800. What you are saying is almost saying that Battlefield 4 couldn't be competitive because of difrent gear if you haven't unlocked all weapons and equipment yet. There is much better arena type competitive games to play than destiny even when it would be normalized just because primary weapons are allredy unbalanced compared to other weapons of primary category. -edit- It is year 2014 and things in gaming start to get more complex finally.
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Edited by InguinalSlayer2: 8/20/2014 9:46:00 PMI literally just laid out the entire basis for normalization and you only comment on how you haven't directly ignored my posts, you just don't understand. Top tier armor differences will not be that different. But you're basically telling every player that is not level 30 with Light gear to avoid the competitive scene. I never said anything about Battlefield 4. Battlefield 4 has balanced gear, and is no way given a significant advantage because you don't have your defib yet. I never once indicate that any superior advantage is given by weapon unlocks. I am not trying to make Destiny into an arena shooter. I still don't think you've understood a single word I've said. Primary weapons are slightly unbalanced, but you don't think Bungie will try to fix this? I'm sure everyone will love the competitive PvP scene where if you don't have that one exotic rifle drop that is lottery based on every 4th raid you're worse than every other player. Please reread how I outlined normalization to you and tell me again why you have some kind of prejudice against anyone that is not max level attempting to play PvP. Let me be crystal clear with this, if you read this far. I couldn't care if competitive PvP went either way. I would attempt to grind the high level gear. But restricting all players universally to being level 20+, with abundant motes of light is outrageous. This is the original point and I'm quite unsure of why you morphed it into this argument. Destiny is about building the character that works for you. It's about appealing to as many people as they can. It is not about placing ridiculous mote of light restrictions on anyone who wants to engage in a competitive match.
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ty for saying the points already saving me time doin this exact same thing. u truly are the real MVP To OP who keeps arguing against it...as the dude said ur basically telling everyone to avoid the competitive scene till they are level 30 that does nothing but harm the scene ALOT. Ur telling everyone even new clans before they can even think about competing they gotta spend months grinding lvls and gear just to have a chance at winning. THAT IS NOT COMPETITIVE
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yes i understand that your point is that competitive players should not need to play pve. you want to be able play pvp from lvl 1 even missing out even the most basic weapon upgrades.
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Oh ok, so this is a joke. I fully understand the difference fully geared characters will make, based on the respective upgrade trees on their gear. Bungie has normalized PvE so you don't shit on low level enemies with high rated gear. Why change this for PvP? I plan on playing PvE exclusively until I am geared. So does every member in our highly ranked competitive PvP clan. You have failed to see my point entirely.
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It is hard to see because even in real sport like 100meter sprint athletes aren't normalized. In game with RPG elements it is just normal to have bit stronger or weaker characters than others. Even WOW is able to be competitive with it requiring raiding.
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Actually in real life the athletes are normalized. Tell me how many 12 year old sprinters you see in the Olympics. WoW is competitive without raiding....where did this even come from? It is normal for some people to be stronger and some to be weaker. This is more than achieved by weapon and armor upgrade tree bonuses, which virtually no other game shares.
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Ok lets agree that we cant come to mutual understanding about this. I just want to see competitive game in Destiny to it's full potential even if it would piss some "old school" competitive players. I do understand your point about normalized pvp, it taking root on more classic competitive scene. I just think that it is finaly time for something fresh even for competitive skene. I havent mean't to upset or be annoying and i apologize if i have pissed you.
