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8/9/2014 8:20:54 PM
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Exploring the Exo:

Hey Bungie Community! In my wanderings through these forums, someone asked me: "What are the Exo?" I'm a really philosophical guy, so I started my answer to help out and tell him what we know, but as I dove deeper it developed into a discussion not only of what an Exo is, but what it means to "be" Exo. The remainder of this post is my answer to him (heavily edited and expanded), and I wanted to share my thoughts with all of you to maybe provide a new perspective on, and perhaps a new appreciation for: the race of Exo. With that introduction, I give you: Exploring The Exo: The Exo were war machines designed and built by humans. The Traveler wiped their memories of all of the time before and then blessed them with true sentience. The Exo are true thinking, feeling beings now. They are still machines inside and out, but they absolutely have full and evolving personalities like everyone else. The Exo must confront their lack of mortality (an Exo lives forever with effective maintenance), to my knowledge they cannot mate or reproduce (I'm fairly certain the secrets of building the Exo was lost in the collapse as well), and that they cannot remember any of their existence before the Traveler uplifted them. There are both male and female Exo. I believe this is only for the purposes of defining themselves as having a male or female persona now that they are sentient, rather than for mating capability. The body types are likely different to accent and celebrate that "choice." I know gender isn't a choice per se [at birth], so when each Exo was uplifted by the Traveler, it was likely "born" in that moment and must have realized that they were either one or the other. That issue of gender without gender roles may be another of issues that every Exo faces. They also have no childhood, no learning process through years of experiences under the guidance of parents to make them who they are. They were static. One moment they did not exist from their own perspective, and the next moment they did. Its like their entire personality, all of who they are... was just given to them, handed down from on high, rather than developed over years of growing up and experiencing things. Its gotta be a shocking way to enter the world, and it can't be comforting to know that SOMETHING ELSE decided who YOU were going to be. To look at another possibility, assume for a moment that when they were born in that moment of uplifting it was as if they knew nothing at all (emulating a human newborn), then they would have learned everything from humans (in the Golden age and early stages of the collapse there were no Awoken, and those who existed in the dark ages lived almost exclusively on the Reef. This would make it very unlikely for an Awoken to have ever "raised" an Exo). What would that mean for them? How alien would it feel to sit down to a family dinner when you cannot grasp the concept of food? As children, these Exo would not have been smaller than their adoptive parents, they would in most cases be physically superior. By what method then could a young Exo be disciplined? As a sentient being, every Exo should be vulnerable to feelings like pride or anger. How would a proud and self aware Exo take orders from a mother or father figure whom they could beat to a pulp in seconds? Why must he or she listen to those who cannot enforce their own rules? In the end I don't know if one or either of these cases is the truth concerning the uplifting of the Exo, but both possibilities are rife with unique challenges that simply are not faced by members of any other race. The Exo are philosophically pretty cool. They can make really interesting characters, especially when/if they learn that their entire race were once unthinking slaves used by humans for protection and warfare. This event raises some wicked questions. How does that make them feel about the robots that we see doing all of the menial labour in the tower now? Would they understand that the use of a non sentient machine is different from slavery, or would they see what they could have been and be disgusted? Even better, how does that make an Exo feel about being a Guardian?A being brought back from the dead for the singular purpose of protecting the City by roaming the solar system and killing every single threat to its inhabitants? Does that diminish them once again into no more than slaves used by others for protection and warfare?With the knowledge of his or her race's past available to them, An Exo guardian might feel more like a slave than a hero. As if we didn't have enough degrees of separation already, the Exo also don't sleep which is admittedly badass and quite useful, but could also be very lonely in a world of Humans and Awoken. Could this make Exo society self contained? When the Humans and the Awoken of the City go to sleep (I can't comment on the sleep patterns of the Awoken, they may not match those of humans, but lets assume for now that they're similar), the Exo population in its entirety remains exactly the same. Naturally they could spend this time together, and no member of the other races can be there for them all the time. Eventually the differences in schedule and culture could lead to many Exo folk drifting away from organic society, preferring their own kind exclusively. There are likely no rituals for eating, there are none for sleeping, waste excretion is a non issue. Routine maintenance could be better understood by those who also perform it upon themselves, and of course there must be many other issues besides. In addition, organic races would eventually be surpassed in knowledge and wisdom by the Exo, who have lived every moment since the moment of uplifting to the present (with the exception of those who died and were raised as Guardians, they/we clearly missed a big chunk of time). The sheer number of experiences they have would make most Exo very wise and interesting people. This raises another interesting question. Does the Exo have limited memory storage space? Of course it probably does internally. Exo memories were never designed by humans, but rather were "granted" by the Traveler. The physical computational memory used by them as machines of war before their transformation is certainly quite significant, but is that how they record their memories now? If that was so there would be a defined limit to what an Exo can know and remember. This is true for all races, but the Exo may be forced to actively pick and choose which of its experiences, which parts of its life to simply erase. At first glance such an ability is both a blessing and a curse. It is also one more thing that may prevent the Exo on a fundamental level from fitting into the human societies we all know. Moving on from there, we've assumed so far that as sentient mechanical beings the Exo are fully emotionally capable... so then what in Gods name does an Exo do when they fall in love with an organic? It could happen to an Exo as easily as to a Human, and as any wise person understands, we can't choose who to love. The Exo don't need sexuality as part of their companionship, but its presence in organic life could make that a serious barrier to her (or him). They could not produce offspring with that person, and if they were exclusive romantically, they would condemn their partner to a life with no sexual component, and more importantly no children. Then, even if all that works out, when the Exo's organic partner dies, they have to continue on alone. Nevermind all of the potential social stygma around the idea of organic/synthetic relationships. Like I said earlier, the Exo are philosophically very interesting. Just by virtue of their birth race they can be quite tragic characters. They must shoulder burdens we can only even wonder at. They see a World they cannot be a part of that has existed since before they themselves were even an idea. They owe the Traveler their "existence" (in its Cartesian definition), but they would not exist without the Humans who built their bodies. All they are, the good and bad, was someone else's decision. Do they love the others for making the right decisions, or hate them for making the wrong ones? Should they thank us for their existence, or blame us for the pain they suffer because of it? There is an old saying that "To 'ere is human, to forgive, divine." The Exo are neither. Thanks for reading -Thoughtfully yours, TheDestined

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  • Edited by Partarar: 8/10/2014 8:44:27 PM
    As an Exo in destiny, this is how I think I think, if you know what I mean. It is my goal to challenge my fellow guardians, and try to be one of the best. That a large part of why I fight: competition. Also being a hunter, my detachment from society is matched only my my trust and companionship for my fellow guardians. I also fight to save all of the intellect that remains to be protected, in whatever form it comes in. I am fascinated by every mind and what it thinks, and they are all worth protecting. That is also why I fight. You must remember though that consciousness is not accompanied by deep affection of the caliber you described. Although powerful friendship can be achieved, the traveler would not have cursed exos with the ability to love organic life forms.

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    • [quote]In my wanderings through these forums, someone asked me: "What are the Exo?" [/quote] GOOGLE IT :)

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    • ecksos r minie trnsfourmirs

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      • Gents, I myself am an Exo. I can tell you my experiences on the Fronteir if you'd like. Gather 'round, my children.

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      • So after doing some thinking I had my final philosophy on the Exo. Exo are not children, nothing in the lore says they forgot their days of service, they only forgot how they were built. Imagine going through your old memories and watching yourself gun down innocents in the forgotten war? Maybe though, you were a security robot for a family, killing no one but the memory of an old master, kind or cruel, is there for impression. To each his own in origins but what an Exo will always desire is individuality that is given shape from memory. A human or awoken is given a unique face, but an exo is a model and limited by it's manufacturer, until it decides to be something to physically change. All the paint, cosmetics and the like we can add is for individuality and if I had my way I would carve a tally into the side of my own Exo head to mark every named enemy I kill. Why? Because it shows personality, accomplishments, and status. Exos are true AIs with the instinct to find a solution to any problem, but their memories and choices will dictate how they solve it.

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      • If I were to hazard a guess as to how Exos achieved self-awareness, I would say that when originally built human consciousness was capable of being transferred to the Exo units. A perfect war machine with the intelligence of humans is a dangerous thing. And if this were to be true, then I hope Bungie explores the ethical murkiness of it, unlike George Lucas did with the clone army that was led by the moral paragons of the galaxy in Star Wars.

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        • I see OP is brushing the dust off his Philosophy Major.

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        • I think it also depends on what class they were reborn as, I've always thought of my Exo Warlock to have a deep understanding of the world around him also the way that the traveller has endowed him with power, I think to some extent the Traveller had an effect on the morality of my Exo, the light clearly made him of a good moral standing so maybe Exos feel indebted to the Traveller not wanting to explore who they were until the Traveller has awoken once again

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        • Brilliant insight and speculation on the Exos. You've really got me pondering their existence as a whole now. I enjoy learning the backgrounds to characters and I hope that Bungie has a fleshed out lore behind each race.

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        • Domo arigoto mr roboto

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        • I've spent a lot of time thinking about a lot of this. I started writing a fanfic of my hunter exo and found myself contemplating some of these issues. My exo will question the struggle of humanity while out on patrol only to come up short for reason. He'll continue to fight for us (humans) because without us he wouldn't exist, but he's torn. His experiences come without any personal gain. He fights to protect those that gave him life if only to find out why he lives. My writings become difficult because I find my exo wants something more than existing without understanding his existance. Thanks for this bit of personal insight! I would ask what your view is of Exos like Lakshmi? She seems dogmatic, something must be driving her beliefs.

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          • Cool. I'm thinking of switching from human to Exo for the full game mostly because the Exo look pretty awesome.

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          • I'm unsure if an exo would indeed fall in love as these emotions serve a very specific biological purpose. Not to mention the fact that these are also just a series of chemical reactions. And with fear being the manifestation of the desire of self preservation in the face of harm to one's self I'm unsure if fear could be the correct way to phrase this as well. The information could easily be transferred into a new shell. Although the light of the traveler is what lets them be resurrected so they may indeed be protective of this component of their being. Now considering how much of their personality is devoted to social interaction they may or may not feel a need to emulate humans or any other humanoid for that matter. All social animals require social contact because they really on a group for survival. Being isolated for long periods of time will make any social animal unstable. This is why Mogli from the Junglebook acts the way he does. He is primed to adhere to the same social cues as the group to which he belongs. Social animals must learn the culture of a group in order to find their place in it. It's possible that the Exo was programmed to mimic these same functions which have evolved in humans but I think it would be conceited for us to do so. In the same unlikely way we envision most extraterrestrials as either humanoids or psychic bugs we must be weary of what we're projecting of ourselves onto others.

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          • Can exos be warlocks? I know on the game but in the lore it seems odd

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            • Edited by PsycheDiver: 8/11/2014 2:59:55 AM
              Very well done. The only conjecture I'd not agree with is sleep. I think the Exo would certainly sleep as we do, but for them it's far more about mental rest and psychological maintenance (much like we do in DMT-regulated REM states) than with physical recuperation. I'm also not quite sure you've given enough thought as to the sexuality portion of your analysis, as mechanically-assisted pleasure is something women have been keen on for centuries. However, the reproduction issue does stand. I hope to explore all these issues and more in a fictional work I'll begin after I complete the story portion of the game. I hope you'll follow me on this forum and keep and eye out for it. EDIT: I just recalled that there was a class item (a hunter's cloak, I believe) that depicted an algorithm given to the Exo by the Traveler and granting them sentience. The wording of the item (which I can't seem to find on the internet) makes me believe that Exo were granted sentience BEFORE the collapse. I'll continue to look for this item for you so we can discuss.

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              • Not to render your entire post pointless. But I have heard from several sources that the Exo were once Humans. So yeah.

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                • you should make a lore thread on the Awoken :P Have done a little research on what is known, not much from what i could see. I wish there was more of a background on the races to play a role in race choice.

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                  • Can you make other bios like this for humans and awoken? This is very deep... And awesome..please make for the other races

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                    • This forum needs more posts like this.. Not "my console is better wana fight about it??"

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                    • Edited by Chip_Foamy: 8/11/2014 3:29:14 AM
                      To the last thing about relationships- I differ to the words of Bugs Bunny; "so what if she's mechanical" Also I'm pretty sure there are attachments and an app for "that". As to sentience they've made their choice to protect the light that has given them life, but each lives their life their own way.

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                    • Only thing wrong is that then how were they dead in beginning of game if they r immortal?

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                      • I love you man

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                        • EXO = ghoast correct? Did anything else come from the traveler that is a Robot that we know of?

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                        • Didn't read. Need new hobby

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                        • Exo is Love; Exo is Life.

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                        • I had the intention of saying something about the matrix and blah blah but I read your theory and enjoyed it. While I may not agree on every detail, (personally I believe EXOs power down for maintenance/sleep) it was an interesting read. Thanks man.

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