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Edited by John of Mars: 7/23/2014 2:27:09 PM
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Destiny's Biggest Problem: It's a Social Game with No Communication

The beta has been great overall. There are some balance changes that are needed, but I'm confident that that can be ironed out. My biggest concern is that I've played 14 hours and I only talked to one person other than my two clanmates. Is it just me? Have you talked with anyone? There are two issues I think. [B]1) Voice Chat is really limited:[/B] - No voice chat in PVP. It's entirely team-based, but I can't talk to anyone? Is voice chat really limited to fireteams only? That's crazy limited. I just moved from 360 to PS4 so I don't have a lot of friends yet. It'd be cool to get to know some other Destiny players. - Is there really no voice chat in Strikes by default? Strikes are 3 person fireteams, but whenever I did a strike, no one talked. I clicked R3 on my teammate, invited them to my fireteam, at which point they went back to orbit, then re-entered the game and I could talk to them! How does that make sense? Is this really how it works? If we make voice chat more common, then we'll need options. Like "All", "Team" and "None". Just like Halo games. [B]2) If you accept that voice chat is going to be really limited, there's still no effective way to talk to teammates.[/B] The built-in gestures are fun in the Tower, but useless in the field. - [I]Waving[/I] is good while exploring, but unhelpful during strikes. - [I]Pointing[/I] is completely useless unless you're looking directly at your teammate. And even then it's only good for a direction, not pointing at an object. - [I]Sitting?[/I] Why would I sit in an active battlezone? I suppose it's nice for sitting for screenshots with Bungie's beautiful skyboxes, but I don't *need* it like I do the stuff below. - [I]Dancing[/I] is just fine. [B]We really need combat-related gestures.[/B] Here are some ideas I brainstormed this morning. Feel free to add/criticize - [I]Call target[/I]. Have you tried to take out that Demon Walker with a team that is just shooting at whatever they damn well please? Being able to really call out what to shoot will make teams much more effective. - [I]Rally to me/ Regroup[/I]. Strikes start out in wide open explore territory. I had a teammate get distracted and wander off at the start and my other teammate charged straight ahead. There was no way to tell one to hurry up and the other to wait up. So very frustrating. It'd also be helpful for trying to group up in between waves like during the Strike. - [I]Awesome/Thank You[/I]. Those two above are great for combat, but we need a way to interact with our teammates too. Someone resurrects you? Say thanks! You shoot a Stealth Vandal right before they knife your buddy? Now you can see that they appreciate it, rather than just them wandering away. - Keep [I]dancing[/I]. It's fun to dance on the broken shell of Sepkis Prime. A few more ideas: "Help!" "Revive Needed!" "Follow me!" "Attack/Defend" Perhaps even a system like Dark Souls where you can "equip" various gestures. How do y'all feel? Agree? disagree? Big problem? Not a problem? I posted this on [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2bapid/destinys_biggest_problem_its_social_game_with_no/]Reddit's Destiny subreddit[/url], where it's gotten a lot of great feedback. I wanted to make sure it was seen here too. Edit: Thanks for all the great responses, everyone. And thanks for jumping in, DeeJ! Some things I wanted to highlight were: - This great mock-up of what [url=http://i.imgur.com/FSfWoZo.jpg]an expanded gesture system[/url] could look like. - Some discussion on suggested individual [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2bfdjj/how_is_this_not_the_most_simple_solution_to_the/]voice settings for different play areas[/url]. - And a great solution that [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2bfdjj/how_is_this_not_the_most_simple_solution_to_the/cj4to5u]lets players decide up front what voice options they want[/url], without a lot of fiddliness. I also wanted to point out with [url=http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/18/5625802/hearthstone-chat-Blizzard]how well Hearthstone has done[/url] with limiting player interactions. It's a little different because it's not a team-based game, but like Dark Souls, it won't let players abuse each other. This is why I think gestures with non-friends is such a great option. It'll keep things positive and helpful but still let players participate who don't want to use/hear voice. I'm not sure how much of this is feasible for game that's going to release in 48 days (gold master is probably much sooner!). So these are some wishlist items to be sure. I hope we can make some voice changes by launch at the least and maybe keep an expanded gesture system in mind for future updates. Voice chat (or even free text chat) can definitely be abused, so Bungie's concern is totally valid. I'm glad they're listening to us and look forward to the response! P.S. [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2bapid/destinys_biggest_problem_its_social_game_with_no/cj3lujp]This is my favorite response[/url].
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  • The communication is probably my biggest let down on this game so far. On multiplayer i cant chat with my own team this is wrong and has to be changed. Also i think that if you are within a certain distance of another player you should be able to chat automatically. I feel like the only way i can communicate with someone at this point is if they are on my fire team. It just seems like a hassle... MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO COMMUNICATE

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  • In regards to the ideas for emotes, which are great, they simply dont work by themselves. If your fire team isnt looking your way because they're too busy devestating the opposition then how will they see you gesturing "someone's behind you". Some kind of maker system would be required with command specific indications. Also, I wanted to note that I like the chatroom style system of eve/dust. I think it would work out great for what Bungie is looking for. Its very similar to the group system here on the site. Select which groups you care about and chat with those individuals. If you get tired of them, remove yourself from the group. If you haven't played dust then check it out at least to support this recommendation if you thinks it's worth it.

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    • Communication is the Alphe and Omega.

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    • Just posting a simple I Agree

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    • Yes. The communication is definitely lacking at this point. It should not be too difficult to add keyboard chat to the touchpad HUB at least on the tower.

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    • There's a trending post on r/destinythegame right now which has a great use of the D-pad for significantly more emotes/communication's options. It's awesome.

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    • This may have been said already, but there needs to be a chat system along with some sort of "pings" or combat gestures as you call them. A team can't truly be a team unless they are as one and work together. Sure, you can invite people to a Xbox live party or whatnot, but having a established chat system in place gets rid of having to add someone you won't play with later as well as ruling out the trolls that complain about auto rifles being OP.

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      • I agree with OP. It is no fun not being able to talk to myrandom PvP temmates by deafult or not having proxy chat in PvE areas.

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      • Agreed. There needs to be a LFG option or something in the tower for you to have some type of communication with the players there. Other than that people will just look at each other run by.

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      • Definitely! The tower needs to be a "social hub" I can't be social with people with out talking to them? Dancing in a big group is not social enough. What if during end game I am looking for a group of 5 other people to do the Vault of Glass? How am I supposed to get my LFG message out If I can't run around the tower asking other players in proximity of me if they want to come along? I won't always have friends on, and If someone is not in a clan and has no friends on I would definitely not trust the matchmaking for a VoG run end game because how am I supposed to know if that person is geared properly to be able to run the hardest dungeon in the game? I wanna be able to run around the tower and physically ask people if they are interested and then inspect them to see if they meet the requirements to join the VoG fire team of 6. So unless there is some sort of filter on gear for that matchmaking, I want to see voice chat or even keyboard compatibility at the least in the tower, the SOCIAL HUB. if I can't talk to anyone there it is like I'm walking around a town where every citizen is ignoring me. I'm sure that is not the feeling they wanted to portray. Please include communication into the tower and PvP

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      • Agree

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      • I agree with this completely, or at least with the idea that there needs to be more communication in-game. At the very least, voice chat should be enabled by default in the crucible and strikes.

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      • I agree. But, it's a double edged sword. It could ruin the experience for many, many people either way. But During Strikes I Do Believe You Should Be Able To chat With Your Teammates. It is very important and not everyone is going to want to have to take a little time to join a party or anything. Strike missions put you in a fire team for the raid. So why not let you speak with eachother? That's my only gripe.

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      • I agree. Although I'm playing with others in open world, I can't tell anyone about loot I find or if I need back up. Through my hours and hours of playing I had 1 person come over my head set. The pvp is even worse. I dont know if it destiny or people just don't use headsets. I would like to have public chat options so if some is near you, you can allow the chat to happen or turn it down. I know this is still beta and all game options aren't in play yet but really hoping to have more interactions with people besides pointing, dancing and shooting them to get their attention!

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      • completely agree

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      • I've started using wave as a "Thanks for the revive" when needed. Or when I'm just walking around and see someone who looked like they needed some help.

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      • ^^i support this!

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      • First time in the Tower I put on my headset and instinctively wanted to chat to people within my proximity. I was disappointed that no one was talking and so I thought they weren't wearing there headsets. But alas it's not even a feature within the game! C'mon Bungie. It seems natural for such a social hub like the Tower to have proximity communication!

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      • Could do with some way of showing hey I'm looking for a fire team also it be nice if can stay in a fire team you join

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        • I love this community so much, how everyone is working together to try and make a game we already see so much promise in just that much better. Constructive criticism rules.

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        • Idea for voice chat that can really work, easy to use, no game ruining.

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        • This is awesome. Bungie, this truly makes sense.

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        • yea it is wierd that a game that relies on teamwork to have little to no communication.inviting people to party chat or w/e wont always work.they need to have a chat system like everyother mmo by using a keyboard or the controller keypad.for a mmo its missing some key features here. i mean if you assume everyone has a headset thats pretty dumb.and honestly i would rather type anyways its worked on so many other mmo ish games through the years such as PSO on dreamcast and then PSU on 360.might be others but those are the 2 big games i used a keyboard on.now for PVP this might not work so well but eh for everything else it would be golden. game seems to be trying too much and falling slightly short as far as being a "social/MMO" style of game.just my 2 cents.

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        • Agreed...i would love to ask someone to be part of a fire team... And explain why, or convince them...im level 6 you are level 5, etc ... Also in battle and whilst in a fire team... Be able to command more, like fighting the devil tank, i wanted to say join me up here, etc... Or flank, defend the most powerful dude in ur team etc

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        • I agree on the lack of chat options. I think the social aspect for an mmo of this magnitude is really lacking. Some more gesture options or something to let other players know what we're thinking would be good too. If you don't have someone already on your friends list creating a Fireteam can sometimes be too late in events or PvP. Imho We need better chat options for PvP as well as some events/missions as stated teams in PvP with mics will almost always cream those without. So Clans would most likely really kill. With the premade friend teams. An PvP chat for anyone who wants the option would make our game experience better. With the added block/mute button :D But I would also hate to see it turn into a game like CODs sometimes painful chat experiences. Other than this I have to say this has been the best beta experience I've played in a longtime! This is my only issue with Destiny beta. Thanx Bungle for pretty much surpassing my expectations for this beta experience :)

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        • Wow. And here I thought that I was the only one with a mic in +25 Crucible games and a handful of Strikes. How? How can this possibly be the policy in a game that not only requires communication, but markets itself as a 'social' game? In fact, this makes the game the least 'social' multiplayer/coop/mmo-hybrid that I have ever seen. I was confused when such an emphasis was put on the gestures: a cute system but what I saw as kind of pointless in the grand scheme of the game. I guess I was wrong, as those 4 gestures are literally all that we have to communicate with other players in the game world. I am hopeful though that Bungie will fix this. All that's needed is a system for individual voice settings and an easy to use mute button. I'd like to think that the popularity of this thread is good evidence of the poor reaction to the current system.

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