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Edited by John of Mars: 7/23/2014 2:27:09 PM
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Destiny's Biggest Problem: It's a Social Game with No Communication

The beta has been great overall. There are some balance changes that are needed, but I'm confident that that can be ironed out. My biggest concern is that I've played 14 hours and I only talked to one person other than my two clanmates. Is it just me? Have you talked with anyone? There are two issues I think. [B]1) Voice Chat is really limited:[/B] - No voice chat in PVP. It's entirely team-based, but I can't talk to anyone? Is voice chat really limited to fireteams only? That's crazy limited. I just moved from 360 to PS4 so I don't have a lot of friends yet. It'd be cool to get to know some other Destiny players. - Is there really no voice chat in Strikes by default? Strikes are 3 person fireteams, but whenever I did a strike, no one talked. I clicked R3 on my teammate, invited them to my fireteam, at which point they went back to orbit, then re-entered the game and I could talk to them! How does that make sense? Is this really how it works? If we make voice chat more common, then we'll need options. Like "All", "Team" and "None". Just like Halo games. [B]2) If you accept that voice chat is going to be really limited, there's still no effective way to talk to teammates.[/B] The built-in gestures are fun in the Tower, but useless in the field. - [I]Waving[/I] is good while exploring, but unhelpful during strikes. - [I]Pointing[/I] is completely useless unless you're looking directly at your teammate. And even then it's only good for a direction, not pointing at an object. - [I]Sitting?[/I] Why would I sit in an active battlezone? I suppose it's nice for sitting for screenshots with Bungie's beautiful skyboxes, but I don't *need* it like I do the stuff below. - [I]Dancing[/I] is just fine. [B]We really need combat-related gestures.[/B] Here are some ideas I brainstormed this morning. Feel free to add/criticize - [I]Call target[/I]. Have you tried to take out that Demon Walker with a team that is just shooting at whatever they damn well please? Being able to really call out what to shoot will make teams much more effective. - [I]Rally to me/ Regroup[/I]. Strikes start out in wide open explore territory. I had a teammate get distracted and wander off at the start and my other teammate charged straight ahead. There was no way to tell one to hurry up and the other to wait up. So very frustrating. It'd also be helpful for trying to group up in between waves like during the Strike. - [I]Awesome/Thank You[/I]. Those two above are great for combat, but we need a way to interact with our teammates too. Someone resurrects you? Say thanks! You shoot a Stealth Vandal right before they knife your buddy? Now you can see that they appreciate it, rather than just them wandering away. - Keep [I]dancing[/I]. It's fun to dance on the broken shell of Sepkis Prime. A few more ideas: "Help!" "Revive Needed!" "Follow me!" "Attack/Defend" Perhaps even a system like Dark Souls where you can "equip" various gestures. How do y'all feel? Agree? disagree? Big problem? Not a problem? I posted this on [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2bapid/destinys_biggest_problem_its_social_game_with_no/]Reddit's Destiny subreddit[/url], where it's gotten a lot of great feedback. I wanted to make sure it was seen here too. Edit: Thanks for all the great responses, everyone. And thanks for jumping in, DeeJ! Some things I wanted to highlight were: - This great mock-up of what [url=http://i.imgur.com/FSfWoZo.jpg]an expanded gesture system[/url] could look like. - Some discussion on suggested individual [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2bfdjj/how_is_this_not_the_most_simple_solution_to_the/]voice settings for different play areas[/url]. - And a great solution that [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2bfdjj/how_is_this_not_the_most_simple_solution_to_the/cj4to5u]lets players decide up front what voice options they want[/url], without a lot of fiddliness. I also wanted to point out with [url=http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/18/5625802/hearthstone-chat-Blizzard]how well Hearthstone has done[/url] with limiting player interactions. It's a little different because it's not a team-based game, but like Dark Souls, it won't let players abuse each other. This is why I think gestures with non-friends is such a great option. It'll keep things positive and helpful but still let players participate who don't want to use/hear voice. I'm not sure how much of this is feasible for game that's going to release in 48 days (gold master is probably much sooner!). So these are some wishlist items to be sure. I hope we can make some voice changes by launch at the least and maybe keep an expanded gesture system in mind for future updates. Voice chat (or even free text chat) can definitely be abused, so Bungie's concern is totally valid. I'm glad they're listening to us and look forward to the response! P.S. [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2bapid/destinys_biggest_problem_its_social_game_with_no/cj3lujp]This is my favorite response[/url].
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  • Agree. The game is social and yet the social tools are clumsy and inefficient.

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  • We need a text chat for the tower as well.

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  • TOTALLY AGREE

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  • I think we could add gestures like "Bow" or "come" it would be popular

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  • As far as I can tell Bungie has opted to use the PS4's party system to control chat. Im guessing this cuts down on bandwidth, after all if they made it open mic in game it would be an endless mess of voices not to mention take up a lot of bandwidth. What I've found is if I create a party and then on the left panel there is an option to change from party chat to game chat. If I set it to game chat then i can talk to anyone else who is also setup the same way in my area, this works in the Tower and PVP haven't tried it in Free roam but I can see a little mic icon register when im speaking in game so i know its working on my end.

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  • I really think you made some great suggestions. I agree voice chat needs to be expanded, for such a social game it's difficult to communicate with other players. I just bought a PS4 for the beta so I'd like to make some new friends in Destiny, but it's difficult without being able to speak. Your ideas for gestures are great, especially the equippable ones, that way we could have a large range of gestures to swap around with.

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  • This is exactly what I was thinking. Hope they consider this for sure.

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  • Not sure about some of these ideas....but I believe we are on the same page. For a social experience, I would love to have some actual communication abilities. I love the Dpad right now, but I believe games like LoL have it down. Small, fast, pings or emotes, that have a clear message. Lets see what Bungie comes up with.

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  • I like this and your points are on par.

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  • Voice Chat doesn't work for me, not even with my fireteam, I can't hear them and they can't hear me even though we all have the "microphone symbol". I like the idea of equiping different gestures, +1

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    • Some good tips here, especially the combat focused gestures and maybe being able to customize them. I would love to be able to thank people through gestures. The gestures defiantly can be better and voice chat is limited. Though, I don't think there should be just open world chat because that can quickly spoil a game, but if they made joining/creating a fire team streamlined so it can be done when not in orbit as well as make an option to quick invite from either the ghost or inspect player menu.

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