The only thing i really noticed was the reload speed was a huge issue for me. The damage and range seemed fine for a pistol but I'm glad they buffed it a bit. Maybe a different reload animation for the cannon could be cool but reload speed is it for me!!

I switched briefly from a hand cannon to a scout rifle just to try and found not nearly as much power, I can hold my own with a hand cannon against hordes of enemies and don't worry too much about magazine/cylinder size. Having an 8-round hand cannon is pretty handy as well as plenty of equipment to buff reload speed. I love it.

I love hand cannons...k/d in story with my hand cannon now is 600something to 1

[i]*sips tea[/i] Id like to see all your evidance

My possible hand cannon and snipers fix. Obviously its not a complete fix but i at least I feel they will be ABLE to be balanced better. Also while giving us a variety, as far as gun combos go. Balancing shotguns with a sniper rifle? not possible. Balancing a hand cannon with a scout rifle? another bad choice. In which one will always be better than the other, as far as damage/second goes.

I experimented on my Hunter at level 8 in the Playstation early-access Beta these past 4 days (17th-20th July, 2014) using the Scout Rifle and the Hand Cannon against low level mobs in Old Russia. [b]Scout Rifle:[/b] [i]124 dmg for a Precision Headshot, 19 Round magazine, 175 reserve rounds, on a 62 Attack level 8 weapon [/i][b]124 x 19 = 2356 POTENTIAL Damage [/b][i]with a single magazine if all shots hit true. [/i] [b]Hand Cannon:[/b][i] 208 dmg for a Precision Headshot, 6 Round magazine, 60 reserve rounds, on a 62 Attack level 8 weapon [/i][b]208 x 6 = 1248 POTENTIAL Damage [/b][i]in a single magazine if all shots hit true[/i]. Now that's a big difference. My Scout Rifle offered almost double the damage potential with a full magazine, required 3 times less reload time, had a scope and better range...so why should I take the Hand Cannon again? Not to mention the abysmal lack of ammunition when in an event encounter in Devil's layer you barely have enough ammo to survive between waves of mobs. Also; I noticed that even at level 8, shooting a level 2 vandal in the head and scoring a precision headshot meant it had just a tiny sliver of life remaining which required a second shot to kill...but then again it took 2 body shots to put down the same mob when it respawned a few minutes later. So now my 6 Shot Hand Cannon only has 3 potential kills in it, while my Scout Rifle has at least 8 between reloads...and when the reload speeds are similar, which seems absurd, the Scout Rifle is currently FAR superior to the Hand Cannon in most ways. [i]A Note on reload speeds: Practised revolver shooters can empty six rounds from a revolver, swing out the cylinder in the same way as the Hand Cannon and fire another six rounds into a target ACCURATELY in under 3 seconds - [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw]World Record [/url]- so are you telling me that as a Hand Cannon user my Hunter wouldn't be able to reload faster with a revolver-like weapon than a bullpup assault rifle-like weapon?[/i] [b]Conclusion: DOUBLE the point-blank and close range damage of the hand Cannon and decrease the reload times to make them more attractive to everyone as at the minute they are barely being used by anyone.[/b] [b]EDIT:[/b] Oh I forgot to mention one figure which I tested whilst doing this little weapons test in Old Russia; [i]The Hunter's Throwing Knife.[/i] [b]419 Damage with a Precision Headshot[/b] - And considering that the Hunter > Gunslinger Subclass gets the ability to have a Precision Kill with the Throwing Knife instantly reset this ability, and another trait which adds a second throwing knife...even a thrown knife is double the power of the Hand Cannon I was using, and another reason why the Hand Cannon could do with doubling in power. [b]EDIT:[/b] Okay, I was talking about damage values on another post and decided that the statistics above could do with an overall damage value calculation to make the differences stand out even more...so here goes: [b]Scout Rifle: [/b]Level 8 Uncommon, 62 Attack Upgrade, No dmg bonus buff, 19 Round Magazine + 175 Reserve = 194 Rounds Total [b]194 x 124 = 24056 Potential Damage [/b]overall if all shots are Precision Headshots [b]Hand Cannon:[/b] Level 8 Uncommon, 62 Attack Upgrade, No dmg bonus buff, 6 Round Magazine + 60 Reserve = 66 Rounds Total [b]66 x 208 = 13728 Potential Damage [/b]overall if all shots are Precision Headshots And for those of you with the attitude: "[i]Damage Isn't Everything[/i]!", picture this: You go into Iron Banner with a white, level 1 Hand Cannon and I go in with a Legendary Purple level 20 Handcannon with 358 Attack...who do you think will win? It's an FPS game, we should be striving to have the best possible weapon that does the most damage per bullet in order to kill our fair share of enemies and contribute to the group.

Agreed that Hand Cannons need something else to make them feel good. They could do any of the following: 1) Increase the damage for body shots and precise shots. 2) Do something about the reload time. Either make it a lot shorter, or don't make me start over if I do something else while the animation is going. (Melee, throw a grenade, sprint, etc.) 3) Make it a special weapon. It would feel pretty good as a back-up gun, and having it available to me would make me much more interested in the "the last round in your mag does extra damage" affix on some primary weapons.

You should be able to dual wield then id use them.

There needs to be a scope attachment! That'd make it a numbers best friend

To all those people saying 2 head shots for a kill, I assume you mean in pvp, because i can one shot Acolytes with my hand cannon.