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3/2/2014 5:46:24 PM
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From what I've seen, it should be illegal, even if it is no worse for you than drinking or smoking. People always cry "it's not a gateway drug!" But I've seem so many people start their decline into drug abuse with marijuana. You guys can pull up your fancy statistics, and links to "scientific articles" saying its harmless, but this "gateway" thing happens. I'm not going to waste my time in a pissing contest with anyone about it, it's just my two cents.
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You are incorrect. Next time listen to reality and quit blaming your friends' mental problems on cannabis which is NOT physically addictive. http://blog.norml.org/2013/07/16/study-marijuana-use-associated-with-decreased-symptoms-of-opiate-withdrawal-in-methadone-maintenance-treatment-subjects/ http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/05/study-the-gateway-drug-is-alcohol-not-marijuana/ http://blog.norml.org/2012/12/20/study-cannabis-is-a-potential-exit-drug-to-problematic-substance-use/ It absolutely should not be illegal, educate yourself.
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I don't have time for your cocky, humorous, and incoherent banter. But since I have a lack of self control, I will humor you :) Your obsession is pathetic. Maybe the fact that you take any opinion about pot that you perceive to be as incorrect personally, and let it rustle your jimmies is due to your botched lobotomy. Stop ignoring what happens in reality and replacing it with facts you find on the internet. Whew, that was fun! Good one little buddy!
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I'm not being at all cocky, humorous or incoherent. You are being incompetent. The only obsession is your own. I don't take any discussion personally, I simply correct any misinformed squirt like yourself when you are obviously wrong. You are obviously sore and sour because I humiliated you. The only botched lobotomy is your own. You are living in quite a fantasy world.
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Humiliated? Incompetent? Please Camnator, don't make me laugh, then people will ask why I'm laughing, and I'll have to tell them I have no life because I'm arguing on the internet. I didn't know two comments made me obsessed! Thanks for correcting my ignorance kiddo! Maybe now I can get professional help! You know what they say, knowing you have a problem is the first step to solving the problem.
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Edited by Charlemagne: 3/2/2014 8:34:22 PMIt's a gateway drug, only fools disagree with that. At the same time, only fools allow themselves to 'slip' further, making it into a gateway drug.
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[quote]It's a gateway drug, only fools disagree with that. At the same time, only fools allow themselves to 'slip' further, making it into a gateway drug.[/quote] Only fools disagree? Well, does that make it wrong? No. If you think that, and that is your argument, that's the ad hominem fallacy. Just because a fool agrees with that, doesn't make it false. If a drug is not a gateway drug, and a fool says so... Guess what, the fool is right. Even with that ad hominem aside, "only fools disagree with that" is an appeal to ridicule. Let me turn that around; if a fool disagrees with you, and the fool has the right idea... [i][b]damn[/b][/i], you're stupid! See what's wrong with that reasoning?
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There's nothing wrong with my reasoning, I'm correct in my statement. Should I sum up my whole argument or do you think you can read through the other replies in this subthread?
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I'm going to go ahead and address those, too, after I'm done with my Skype call.
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Alright.
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The only fool is yourself. It is NOT a gateway drug anymore than food is. http://blog.norml.org/2013/07/16/study-marijuana-use-associated-with-decreased-symptoms-of-opiate-withdrawal-in-methadone-maintenance-treatment-subjects/ http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/05/study-the-gateway-drug-is-alcohol-not-marijuana/ http://blog.norml.org/2012/12/20/study-cannabis-is-a-potential-exit-drug-to-problematic-substance-use/ Educate yourself.
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I've never met a man who's tried heroine, that never tried weed. Weed is a gateway drug. I've never met a man who's tried weed, that never tried alcohol. Alcohol is a gateway drug. I've never met a man who's tried alcohol, that never tried caffeine. Caffeine is a gateway drug. I've never met a man who's tried caffeine, that never tried sugar. Sugar is a gateway drug. I've never met a man who's tried sugar, that never tried milk. Milk is a gateway drug. Save the world, ban all boobs.
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You're not serious about those being gateways though, right?
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Are you?
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I'm showing that the entire "gateway" argument is relative, subjective, and without basis. So no, I'm not serious about any of the above options being gateways.
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I see. There is proof from multiple studies that marijuana is a gateway drug however. In some cases it's because of it being laced but in most it's because the participant craves a greater high. Of course it's entirely dependant on the person doing it more than anything. It's depends on their susceptibility to it, it's affects on them, etc. It is, in many ways as you said, all relative.
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Edited by Yonko: 3/3/2014 5:09:50 AMThere's no 'proof'. What DTL posted must have went right over your head. Correlation =/= Causation. Otherwise sugar is a gateway drug. Also Cannabis is never laced because most other drugs are too expensive, it would be a loss to the dealer. Not to mention most of those drugs aren't able to be felt at such small doses and or can't withstand the heat of a direct flame or even smoked to begin with. PCP is about the only exception and you can bet yourself you'd be in a world of hurt if you ever tried selling that to someone who's just trying to get stoned. Also no one will come back to you. This should be common sense, apparently you're lacking it.
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Gateways are only (at least in the narcotics spectrum) caused from things that give you highs. Sugar doesn't give you a high, genius. I am in no way against the legalisation of cannabis. I support it. That said, I know what it is and I'm not going to pretend it's something else. As I've stated several times, it's a gateway if you let be one. The same with alcohol, for example, but it's much easier to be a gateway (and more common). Using the "sugar is a gateway" argument (which I believe is actually supposed to be milk or something) is a pathetic attempt at debating. It's literally way children use to get out of trouble.
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Edited by Yonko: 3/3/2014 7:12:49 PMCaffeine, tobacco and especially alcohol are all very psychotropic. Care to explain how either of those aren't considered gateway drugs? IMO, I don't care if the whole gateway thing is real or not, I just don't understand why other commonly used drugs aren't debated either. Humans are naturally, curious. A singular plant/drug isn't going to make someone automatically even moreso. No reply? Figures.
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No there is not, because it's not. The cannabis isn't to blame, it's their own mentality and could have just as easily happened with food, sex or sodas. Cannabis is not physically addictive like alcohol and has no withdrawal symptoms.
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Good job reading my other posts in the thread in which I explicitly stated that.
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I was too busy reading your asinine and absurdly false post. "It's a gateway drug, only fools disagree with that. At the same time, only fools allow themselves to 'slip' further, making it into a gateway drug."
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Edited by Charlemagne: 3/3/2014 12:57:18 AMIt's true. If you let it be that for you it will. Not all who use cannabis will use harder drugs but there are those who will. That's just a fact. Something being a gateway doesn't instantly make it bad, it just means you have to be smart about using it.
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It's not true. The gateway is their own instability, it's not in any way the fault of cannabis. Alcohol actually CAN cause addiction and the need to go on for anyone, this isn't the case with cannabis. There is a VERY large difference between physical addiction and psychological co-dependency. Of course cannabis should be abused and you should use any substance responsibly.
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Alright, I never said addiction even once and I never said it was the cannabis's fault. I explicitly said that "it just means you have to be smart about it." If you indulge your urges and try harder drugs, it's your fault, just like if you allow yourself to over indulge with alcohol. It's all the person's choice.
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But alcohol is different. Once you've become dependent your body thinks it needs alcohol to survive which is why you can get severe enough withdrawal symptoms to kill.
