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10/26/2013 6:04:10 PM
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OT: lol at the video I did not blindly hate on the Affordable Care Act like a lot of people did. I read important points in the bill, watched many videos about it, waited until it went into effect to see the consequences of it, and now believe it is a piece of shit and should be abolished. We need a national health care system, but we need one that actually works.
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  • [quote]We need a national health care system, but we need one that actually works. [/quote] Noel, if we ever had a single payer system, I would break my arm every other month just to be a dick to my neighbors when I watch their tax rates sky rocket to pay for my medical bills.

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  • Break your skull instead plz

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  • Alright, doesn't mean I'll die. Either way you're still footing the bill.

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  • But.... I need health insurance to pay for hormone replacement therapy....

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  • Edited by Gaara444: 10/26/2013 9:38:52 PM
    One of the few things Obamacare has gotten right., the Individual Mandate however is still a giant middle finger to me.

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  • Or we could just get government out of healthcare and let the market work its magic. We'd see lower prices overnight.

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  • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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  • Care to elaborate?

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  • Unregulated capitalism doesn't work.

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  • Not at all.

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  • Edited by MADCONservative: 10/26/2013 6:24:17 PM
    Never in the history of humanity has there been unregulated capitalism. In fact, most detrimental monopolies are actually caused by government subsidies and special favors. Even since the beginning of America, capitalism has been regulated. Here's the trend you should be paying attention to though: regulations have increased over time, and so has corruption in both the public and private sectors. This indicates that we should move towards less regulation and not more. Basic economic principles support this too.

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  • General Hodge created a free market in rice during the occupation of Korea in the 40s. The results were horrific. Your thinking is dichotomous. Just because regulation isn't working (I would hardly call any government of the West 'regulatory' for that matter - left wing politics no longer exists), the answer is not necessarily deregulation. Laissez-faire capitalism leads to huge growth. This is phallic thinking; big is not better. Sustainable is better. The growth caused by unregulated capitalism is ultimately unsustainable. Not to mention all the damaging activities conducted by organisations with a motive purely for profit.

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  • Edited by Gaara444: 10/26/2013 10:22:07 PM
    [quote]General Hodge created a free market in rice during the occupation of Korea in the 40s. The results were horrific. [/quote] And the Venezuelan government put price controls on Toilet Paper cause they thought the poor were having too hard a time buying it, not there's a mass toilet paper shortage in Venezuela. What's your point?

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  • I fail to see how what you said was relevant to my point.

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  • I'm assuming your point was that deregulation is bad, well it seems regulation is just as much awful.

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  • Oh, did you mean to type 'now' instead of 'not'? That's what confused me. But I never said otherwise. It isn't a dichotomy of regulation-deregulation. Both aspects are dependent on the quality of government.

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  • Here's a great video that demonstrates this point. It's actually from the same guy as my first video.

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  • I see neither how that contradicts my point, nor how it makes a case for deregulation.

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  • It wasn't supposed to be a reply. As far as General Hodge goes, can you provide a good solid source on that? I haven't heard of what you said before.

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  • [url=http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/koreanwar/section2.rhtml]When, in 1946, Hodge decided to allow a free market in South Korea, speculators hoarded the rice, leading to high prices and famine[/url] [url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=aqHeOthIyysC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=General+Hodge+free+market+rice&source=bl&ots=t_Ty4EBw4c&sig=TxKBfZGTffO5ILb32ymVdHsiWMI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qD1sUq21JuLR0QW7zIDwCQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=General%20Hodge%20free%20market%20rice&f=false]in November 1946, Hodge introduced a free market in rice. This action unleashed a wave of speculation and hoarding and forced the price of rice... to 2,800 yen a bushel[/url] There's another source from Google book, but since I cannot copy and paste I really can't be bothered to type out the quote.

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