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Edited by Quantum: 3/31/2013 2:29:27 AM
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Marriage is a right! Also regarding homosexual marriage.

Yes to gay marriage

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Civil Unions with Benefits

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Current situation

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[url]http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0388_0001_ZO.html[/url] [url]http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=434&invol=374[/url] Read first. Marriage is a right by these rulings. [i]Common counter arguments:[/i] [b]"Marriage isn't a right! Not the government's business"[/b] Actually, it is. Many legal responsibility perks/benefits are handed out through marriage licenses, which are garnered from the government. America isn't a libertarian country, you'll have to accept the fact that the government has a large part to play in marriage at the moment. That, and this is unsubstantiated nonsense. There is no reasoning to support this claim beyond the initial claim itself. Marriage is not a religious concept in our secular society. It is the government's business. [b]"Marriage is between one man and one woman"[/b] On what basis? The current law under question? The Bible, which has no part to play in lawmaking in the government? Most likely, this is just your opinion, with no solid reasoning behind it. [b]"Civil Unions are enough"[/b] As explained before, with civil unions, you lack benefits that you would normally gain through marriage. They aren't equal. [b]"Homosexuality is abnormal"[/b] Yet, it is observed in many animal species, and has been historically acknowledged as far back as many records exist. It is natural, and there is some genetic influence to it (although choice has a part to play as well). Humans are the only species that have a stigma associated with it, largely due to scripture written 2000 years ago. [b] "Civil Unions with equal benefits are enough. Just don't call it marriage"[/b] Funny, a separate but equal argument coming from a roughly similar demographic to those who supported segregation 60 years ago. Let's look at this closely. Heterosexual couples get: Civil unions + "marriage" Gay couples get: Civil Unions + "Civil Union with benefits" Now, I will ask you this question. If this new form of relationship is essentially marriage, then why the hell would you not call it marriage, aside from your own personal opinion with likely religious reasoning/personal culture behind it? [b] "Stop imposing your will on other people!"[/b] This argument would actually have some basis to it if pro-gay marriage people were trying to restrict some form of "right". Unfortunately for the opposition, this is going to expand civil liberty, not restrict it. [b]"There is no good reason to allow gay marriage"[/b] There are quite a few, but let's note that laws are made with some form of reasoning behind them. There is no good form of reasoning for those who oppose gay marriage, therefore, these laws really shouldn't exist and should be repealed. I'll sum up my argument and this thread: [b] Do people really feel persecuted when they can't persecute other people? [/b] *This should be done on a federal level. *I'm not gay.

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  • Edited by DeclinedA01: 3/31/2013 9:48:36 PM
    I support civil unions, granting all the benefits that marriage would bestow on a couple, and am perfectly fine with people being gay. I believe, however, that "marriage" should be between a man and a woman.

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  • I'm actually so sick of these stupid threads. OP, couldn't you have just sifted through the 5k threads about this and just voiced your opinion there? Instead, your just cluttering up the already bunged up forums and creating unneeded arguments that have already ravaged this site and my computer screen. What happened to the old Bnet? What happened to originality? What happened to human dignity? I'm just so sick of these stupid threads. /rant

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    • I don't support the gays.

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    • Article 12 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms: Men and women of marriageable age have the right to marry and to found a family, according to the national laws governing the exercise of this right. Article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

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    • i believe that the legal term for marriage should be replaced by civil union completely and if someone wants to find a church that will marry them in the eyes of their god than that's between them and their church.

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    • Hypothetical scenario here. We have hate crimes that say you can not discriminate towards homosexuals first off but here's the problem. What if gay marriage is made legal and two gay Christians want to get married in a church by a priest but the Church won't marry them because it goes against what they stand for. Will the priest get slapped with a hate crime and arrested for discrimination?

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      • Meh, they only argument I see valid with homosexuality is should they get married in a religious church. Real brain teaser that one.

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      • "Gay marriage will ruin the sanctity of marriage!" *looks at divorce rates*

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      • Edited by Deus: 3/31/2013 2:29:42 AM
        Marriage isn't a right. Rights are arbitrarily determined, and nothing is in and of itself a right. Also we have had enough of these threads. Try being original. And learn the difference between abnormal and natural. I recommend dictionary.com. Not to mention it's obvious the most sentient species would have a stigma against anything. Not only are you unoriginal, you can't even bring forth any valid points.

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        • Well, it official folks. At this rate, Gay Marriage will be legalized by KingBama and we're all gonna have to get Gay Married. Damn, and I have nothing to wear. Bag yourself a nice one guys, I'm personally going with Daniel Day-Lewis.

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          • [url=http://rationalist.org.uk/articles/2905/31-arguments-against-gay-marriage-and-why-theyre-all-wrong]Here are some more you might like to add[/url].

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            • I'm surprised people still appose gay marriage, if someone wants to marry someone or something else, let them. People are people and will do things that people do. And by "something" else I meant animals, because yes.

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              • Everyone deserves to be miserable ;)

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              • I've just started wondering, if they passed a law that made gay marriage legal, would that mean that churches wouldn't be allowed to turn them down? Would they be forced against their beliefs to wed the couple?

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                • Fine get married, enjoy the nagging like the rest of us.

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