I would be willing to bet just like they changed Rocket/Sword Glitch they changed how the spectre can penetrate through the invisible walls of the map so this can't happen so dont freak out. Although personally I have found may way of most of the new maps with default weapons and vehicles and no sword. You can do that now in foundation and in zanzibar and other maps already so it wont be much different. --------------------- Noobs should not rejoice about the combo announcement because it's only for 2 TS maps and people who own you will still BR you without the PP involved. Skill involved for PP/BR Combo? You still gotta time your BR and hit them in the head and rapidly change weapons while doing it. Take someone who never played halo and see which they learn easier: (A) Hitting R Trigger once while looking at someone (any part of their characters body) and automatically lunging 10 feet for an instant kill (B) Charging up a plasma pistol, then switching to their BR immediately and getting a HEADshot on a moving target ------------- I just dont think they are saying the COMBO is gone from matchmaking or team slayer. They just said on Beaver Creek and Colossus there is only human weapons. This makes me think: will colossus now have a human sniper instead of beam? If it's only human weapons, then the BEAM rifle will not be there. If that's the case, having sniper on colossus TS wont be as bad for the opposing team because a human sniper I believe has 16 bullets compared to the beam rifles 20 shots (could be wrong but I think that's it). Not a huge difference but that's 4 less kills before the respawn. DUAL MAGNUMS SUCK NOW!! *THAT* required the most skill. It's just insult #2 to people who liked the pistol in halo1. Now they can't even use dual magnums in halo2 and have it worthwhile. I think the most skill involved in halo is sniping and dual Magnums. But they weakened Dual Magnums so you need almost twice as many shots. That took skill to use that combo and they made it less effective. It certainly takes a lot more skill to shoot dual mags then the SMG/Magnum combo but SMG/Magnum combo now will own dual mags (Its more deadly). Not a good change. I think the PP/BR COMBO will still be on other maps - why do people think it's gone everywhere in TS matchmaking?? Are magnums gone? Using PP/Magnum is just as effective of a combo. That's why they are taking out the plasma pistols from those two maps. They arent removing the plasma pistols from all maps. They probably just realized that in Beaver Creek and Colossus that the OS is worthless due to combo. Now people will whore the OS close range and without plasma guns they can get double kills. This doesn't fix anything. Sword only takes one shot - rocket only takes one shot, a grenade takes one shot, shotgun takes one shot to the face, same as the sniper to somebodys head (or two to the foot for noob snipers) So why does everyone say combo takes no skill and is only for noobs? Then sniper is for noobs too then right? Sword is fair but combo isn't? MLG says you can use combo in ffa but not sword. How is combo cheap and not a sword? So is someone a noob because they headshot everyone with a sniper? Or maybe bungie should make plasma grenades not stick since that's an instant kill. Almost anything in Halo2 will kill somebody quickly. PP/BR Combo is great mid range, but not short or long range. Sword sucks long range but good short range. Sniper is not the best weapon up close even if you can no-scope well. Each combo or weapon will own different situations. The only people that call the PP/BR COMBO the noob combo is noobs. I get complaints from the other team in midship about using combo on them in TS games. So I drop my combo and just BR them or toss a grenade at their foot and BR them. Same effect. If you take out the PP/BR Combo out, take sword too, and rocket and sniper and grenades. Just leave the game with dual magnums only on the maps so we can kill each other with 13 dual magnum headshots.