[quote]The VII Toast affair springs to mind. He seemed a nice enough fellow – until he was elected a moderator, at which point reality surfaced and he was revealed for the savage power freak he truly is. The problem is, the community and its pleas for action against his transgressions were ignored, and it took until the senior ninjas started to take notice for him to be brought to justice. This process took well over a year, and he had already wrought considerably havoc upon the site, deleting posts, thoroughly deceiving users and banning others for no reason.[/quote] How can you say that about my love? I <3 Toast. I used to dedicate my sig to him and we would have deep conversations on msn, but he has stopped using the interwewbs lately... *sigh*

After reading all of the original post and achronos's answers i have again come to the conclusion i and other members came to before. I simply do not understand why members of this community think its a democracy. This place is here for our benifit and in some cases "feedback" for bungie. We have absolutely no say so, nor does achronos have to reply to some of the ridiculous posts about his and bungies apparent "lack of interaction, and abaondonemnt" of this site. The golden rule is in play here, If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all" And if you dont like the way moderators are chosen and who they are, and you cant stand threads that are on the forums then dont reply or quit coming here. This is not an ass kissery post, this is just my view on the forums and community. I really think from the time of the halo 2 announcment, up to now the place has gone to crap because of members complaining and the politics that have sprung up.

My thoughts on this: (and yes, this is a counter-rant (of sorts)) Having perused through the majority of this thread, I can understand the points made UP to mention of The Frozen Minority (also known via the acronym TFM), at which point the vents activated. I can agree that Jeff and Jay can be real -blam!-s, jerks, or whatever word you would prefer to use that is synonymous with someone who you really-dont-enjoy. I can tell you this based on firsthand experience with their antics. Not only that, I can GUARANTEE (with numerous witnesses, if this were a crime) that I've experienced it moreso that you, snowmanaxt. Now yes, there is controversy surrounding the appointment of moderators. Yes, we tend to have an elitist and exclusivistic approach when it comes to our inner group workings. However, this is not without good reason. My personal views of this system are that it accomplishes the goal of denying social access to our collective to, as frankie would aptly put it in his Weekly Updates: Anonymous foul-mouthed teenage homophobes. While not everyone has all the aforementioned qualities, many are pretty damn close as it were. Now on to our mutual friends Jay132 and Jeff McRae. Dont get me wrong, there have been times where I would have happily sent Daedra hordes on murderous rampages in their houses, or summoned Molag Bal to devour them, or tried to wring their necks or cause other forms of harm. But that, inherently, is the fuel for a rant: rage. Now those two have pissed me off on numerous occassions. I've learned (somewhat) to ignore them at present to a degree. It's hard as Hell, but it helps. Nonetheless, you do not do them justice. They are great guys and I love em to death (despite rocky experiences with both), and while there are times where I'd love to send A-10 Thunderbolts to their homes, I still think they're great guys, and have had many good times in their company. Furthermore, do NOT presume to label a group in your rantings. When you apply a bad label to a group, that label applies to ALL members under it's banner. Not just the select few who you really despise. Based on my time spent on these forums (I personally view some of them as endless quagmires of verbal trash), I'm sure myself and other (but not all) members of the Minority have done you no harm. While I could have ignored this, I chose to post and come to the aid (whether they need it or not) of those I view as friends. By your actions, you have called me out of the void of Oblivion (both literally and figuratively) to address the wrongs I feel you have made. Given the other responses, you clearly havent researched enough to support your allegations regarding other moderators. It's ignorant. If you want to hear good examples of Ignorance, listen to Bill O'Reilly on the radio and see what goes on in the 'No Spin Zone'. (No offense, of course, to those with a directional right in political alignment). Which brings me to my point: If you feel like attacking a group, make sure you're going after it in it's entirety, not just a few of it's members. Also, if you've got a beef with someone then take it up with them, rather than announcing it to the mob.

You're right - you're the all seeing, all knowing super-hero of Bungie.net! You and your crack team of spandex clad buddies are solely responsible for Toast leaving! Do you have a searchlight & symbol we can use to call you when we need to? The fact that you completely misunderstood the point of Recons post is funny in itself. The fact that you think that you have a bit of 'inside information' and that the rest of the ninjas don't go and discuss every little part of that with each other is just fúcking hilarious. You're basing your arguments on a tiny fractio of truth and assuming you know everything. You're not that big. You're not that important. Bungie.net and the world will not come to an end if you stop stirring the shít. Honestly! BASE [Edited on 3/15/2007]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Great_Pretender I haven't laughed so hard all day! And I'm about to go to bed! Oh you really crack me up. -TGP-[/quote] Yes TGP, the good old, no point, so I will attempt humor. If I wasnt involved in conversations, why was I able to so easily list some of the topics found in some of the threads in HFCS? This quote right here... [quote]like all of the moderators agreeing not to lock the skulls thread, letting users back in as long as they dont reference their other accounts, etc. [/quote] You are absolutly right, I dont talk with anyone at all, I just get these topics from my ESP by "feeling" for a group that I am not in. I am glad that you caught me... being a psychic is far more likely than me having conversations that recon wouldnt be involved in, or knowledgeable about. Damn, how did I not see that? [Edited on 3/15/2007]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deaths Divinity I hate to tell you recon, but [i]you[/i] werent involved in certain discussions between moderators and members.[/quote] I haven't laughed so hard all day! And I'm about to go to bed! Oh you really crack me up. -TGP-

It's as if this forum is more important to you than the real world :-/ I never understood why people would want to moderate - constant hassle if you ask me. If the "ninjas" were actually ninjas - i.e. they were invisible to the rest of the forum goers, there wouldnt be the problem of sycophants around every corner. No white text, no special avatar and no little title. When someone needs a thread locked, they lock it. When someone needs banning, they get banned. A PM from a mod could be anonymous - it could be titled "from forum staff". Maybe that way people wouldnt play forum cop to impress and wouldnt show how well they can click quote & add an ass kissing remark. But this will never happen - turkeys don't vote for Christmas, you know.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deaths Divinity Actually, it took a lot more than "senior ninjas" seeing him being an ass. It actually took about a month of people making spam tags and posting threads of the things he was doing as a moderator along with the creation of off of bungie sites to keep things going. Here is the biggest example of the spam and off forum sites [url=http://s8.invisionfree.com/The_Bungie_Revolt/]Here[/url]. [/quote] I disagree strongly with you. If you see a cause and effect from those activities, then you are forming your conclusion based on that evidence. But you have no idea of the private conversations that took place, the inner workings of the team and are not in a position to state that you know what events and decisions influenced the result.[/quote]I hate to tell you recon, but [i]you[/i] werent involved in certain discussions between moderators and members. I also hate to tell you, but word spreads quickly, especially when PMs are sent to users containing parts of this discussion. Private discussions.... like all of the moderators agreeing not to lock the skulls thread, letting users back in as long as they dont reference their other accounts, etc. you dont mean anything like those private discussions, or that I have been messaged with private info, ask achronos on this one, as I wont post it because it would be really wrong to do so. [quote] That sort of ego, that sort of "we made a noise and look, the sun set" is not a [i]logical[/i] (ironic eh?) conclusion. No amount of disruption, and terrorist tactics are going to force the administration to make a decision other than the one that they would have made despite the disruptions. But some people don't want to be a part of that process, since it doesn't show how much THEY took part in it. They want to know that whatever happens, it happened because of them.[/quote] Did I say anything along those lines? I said that you guys did it, but it took people setting a fire under your ass to get you to stand. Also, I would like to quote achronos as seems to be a trend. [quote]your flaunting of authority[/quote] Now, I am not going to quote any more than that as I dont remember it exactly, hell im not sure if that is 100% right, but the point is that the overlord made a statement concerning the "authority" of a member. If a member is "flaunting" it, it must be rather effective. Far more effective than the role you gave it in your efforts to minimize the work of others. [quote] All of that noise, all of that disruption, in the end did NOT bring any additional attention to anything other than the disruptors. Which is (IMO) their goal. It's all about "hey, look at ME, I have a cause that I have wrapped around myself...." and then, when the proper process takes it's course, those same disruptors are there to shout, "hey, look at ME, I was right and what I wanted came to pass!" It was a distraction from the real issue.[/quote] Do you not realize the contradiction in this post? Noise, disruption, but no attention was given? That makes perfect sense to me. Which is why the forum posted was spammed by moderators of this site? Your right, it had no effect. If it was taking its course, why did it take over 1 year, yet he was removed less than two weeks after the posting of the goatse man thread? [quote] Vultures. Pure and simple. Ego opportunists... and it makes me ill. For anyone to align themselves with those actions and claim that those tactics were valid and laudable... you have just stepped into a pile of "credibility crap". And the smell never goes away.[/quote] I hate to tell you, but if you take a look in that group I posted, quite a few people agreed with the points presented, and actually got quite involved in refining them. Not to mention PMs sent on this site of moderators proclaiming their support of the removal of toast. There is a difference between you and me recon, you are speaking for the authority, and bias your opinions as to not acknowledge anything but the "leaderships" good features, while I post the good and the bad. Now, the greatest point in all of this is that recon insists that they were already investigating the matter. So, there are a few possible conclusions which could be reached. 1. They were investigating the matter and didnt find all of the things that were easily found by others. 2. They did know of toasts wrong doings and allowed someone clearly in the wrong to retain their powers and act with them freely 3. They werent investigating at all and this is yet another case of the truth being less than prevalent So, were you incompetent, lying, or did you allow someone clearly in the wrong to continue his wrong doings? It is clear to me that atleast in part, your post was an attempt to reinforce the control of this site, you seem to have it in your mind that someone is trying to take your baby. The fact is that nobody wants it, so actions to prevent it are not needed, much less desireable or anything but a general annoyance and waste of time. Please, stop trying to attack my character, which seems to have been the goal of you mentioning the word "ego" like a trained parrot. If I really wanted to inflate myself I would, but I am not trying to do that, so dont question it. Stick to the points, I didnt attack you, so dont attack me. [b]On the selection of moderators[/b] It is clear, that contrary to the statements made by others, the selection of moderators [i]IS[/i] based on their [i]PERSONAL[/i] standings with the other moderators. It is really similar to the andrew jackson "spoils of war" system where moderators put in a good word for their friends, even if they arent the best person for the job. If you check the past history of chosen moderators, you will see that they play with the moderator "click" and are in the same groups as other moderators. Now, there are a few exceptions to this, I wont deny that, but the general trend is friends of moderators become moderators before anyone else. That is simply how it works. EDIT: As for your terrorist comments, you should really learn what is going on before you post. If I wanted to cause problems I wouldve done it last night, or earlier in the week. I am not going to go into specifics, but I got some things sent to me that I couldve really been an ass with. Ask achronos on that one, I actually PMed him with the information to give him a heads up so he would be able to better deal with the issue. Like I said, i wont post the direct information, if you dont know about it, you can PM him on the issue. [Edited on 3/15/2007]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartakus14 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deaths Divinity [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartakus14 Is Achronos done typing, I mean pwning, him yet? [/quote] All of you guys are right... nobody brown noses at all on here.[/quote] Yes, because I really care about becoming a moderator on a website when I have an education to worry about, and then getting into the appropriate school so I can become a police officer like I want to. Go back to your cave.[/quote] He lives in a cave? he must be batman, and you want to be a police officer so your on the same side, you should be freinds. Sorry to pollute this thread.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deaths Divinity [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartakus14 Is Achronos done typing, I mean pwning, him yet? [/quote] All of you guys are right... nobody brown noses at all on here.[/quote] Yes, because I really care about becoming a moderator on a website when I have an education to worry about, and then getting into the appropriate school so I can become a police officer like I want to. Go back to your cave. [Edited on 3/15/2007]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartakus14 Is Achronos done typing, I mean pwning, him yet? [/quote] All of you guys are right... nobody brown noses at all on here.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deaths Divinity Actually, it took a lot more than "senior ninjas" seeing him being an ass. It actually took about a month of people making spam tags and posting threads of the things he was doing as a moderator along with the creation of off of bungie sites to keep things going. Here is the biggest example of the spam and off forum sites [url=http://s8.invisionfree.com/The_Bungie_Revolt/]Here[/url]. [/quote] I disagree strongly with you. If you see a cause and effect from those activities, then you are forming your conclusion based on that evidence. But you have no idea of the private conversations that took place, the inner workings of the team and are not in a position to state that you know what events and decisions influenced the result. That sort of ego, that sort of "we made a noise and look, the sun set" is not a [i]logical[/i] (ironic eh?) conclusion. No amount of disruption, and terrorist tactics are going to force the administration to make a decision other than the one that they would have made despite the disruptions. But some people don't want to be a part of that process, since it doesn't show how much THEY took part in it. They want to know that whatever happens, it happened because of them. All of that noise, all of that disruption, in the end did NOT bring any additional attention to anything other than the disruptors. Which is (IMO) their goal. It's all about "hey, look at ME, I have a cause that I have wrapped around myself...." and then, when the proper process takes it's course, those same disruptors are there to shout, "hey, look at ME, I was right and what I wanted came to pass!" It was a distraction from the real issue. Vultures. Pure and simple. Ego opportunists... and it makes me ill. For anyone to align themselves with those actions and claim that those tactics were valid and laudable... you have just stepped into a pile of "credibility crap". And the smell never goes away.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Code Zero For some reason I could see Recon reading all that >_>.. but I skimmed through it and saw this: [quote]The VII Toast affair springs to mind. He seemed a nice enough fellow – until he was elected a moderator, at which point reality surfaced and he was revealed for the savage power freak he truly is. The problem is, the community and its pleas for action against his transgressions were ignored, and it took until the senior ninjas started to take notice for him to be brought to justice. This process took well over a year, and he had already wrought considerably havoc upon the site, deleting posts, thoroughly deceiving users and banning others for no reason.[/quote] Justice was served. :)[/quote] Actually, it took a lot more than "senior ninjas" seeing him being an ass. It actually took about a month of people making spam tags and posting threads of the things he was doing as a moderator along with the creation of off of bungie sites to keep things going. Here is the biggest example of the spam and off forum sites [url=http://s8.invisionfree.com/The_Bungie_Revolt/]Here[/url]. I personally remember someone with a login called "Goatse Man" posting a thread in every forum, with each getting almost a hundred hits. To more fully explain my point, it took drastic action for toast to be removed, there was no great realization, there was no massive thing he did that suddenly got him removed, it took a lot more. So the question is, if it takes members of the community basically moderating them moderators, what will happen if another toast comes along and there is no one from the community trying to stop his actions? The moderators did step up, especially those on the late night shift, but this was only after proof had to be collected of dozens of toast's wrong doings. The major issue is the rule structure. Users arent allowed to make threads concerning the actions of moderators, so there is no way of bad acts coming to light, and as such there is no accountability. Also, here is a good list of the actions of toast, the exact post that was made by "Goatse Man." It took the spamming of this in every thread to actually get effect. He still to this day, uses the fact that he was a moderator in discussions. Hell, he has it in his signature that he was a moderator. [quote]With all of these issues, what do you think should happen to toast? I am pretty sure these are all true as I have heard about it from VERY reliable sources and was involved with 2 and 3, although I am not sure if I am the person he is talking about. I was once banned for "You lose. Go away" by toast. The day I came back he banned me again for no reason, this one was overturned in about 5 days time. Please post any issues you have with toast, and any problems you know of. Thank you Currently there is a large set of proven problems with toasts moderation, these have been well documented, yet nothing has happened to him. 1. He got onto the L9 group and destroyed it. 2. He banned users for random reasons 3. He has had bans overturned 4. He is known to have played with modders 5. He asked a user for nude pictures, the user was 15, this is soliciting a minor. 6. He unlocked a thread, prevously locked by yoozel, and was threatened to be fired. 7. He harrased people both on bungie.net and on xbox live saying they would be banned while he was playing with a modder. 8. He spammed the inboxes of various members with this threat to keep this under wraps. 9. He has recently been banned from the bungie IRC.net and evaded the ban numerous times 10. He admits to hating moderating bungie.net, his post is in the flood [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=9659565&postRepeater1-p=1]Here is the link[/url] 11. He gave users false advice that wouldve done serious harm to their computer if they wouldve followed it [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8770292&postRepeater1-p=1#8771842]LINK HERE[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=9229567&postRepeater1-p=1#9229997]Here is another thread where he did the same thing[/url] In conclusion the evidence for this removal is clear. He has violated many rules and made his abuse of power quite evident. I urge the entire bungie.net community to think about this and prehaps report more incidents where toast and other moderators have abused their power.[/quote]

this thread is correct in every single way, the turn of events have seen my group (that was extremely popular considering it was only made three days ago) member countdrop from 14 to 5, ive now deleted every ones posts in the forum so i can start over. sadly ive had no more replies bungie.net is the same but of course it wont fade as fast.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achilles1108 [*][u]The Spartan Bruce thread[/u] - To me it was just (how to put this).....oh yeah it was -blam!- hilarious. I have never laughed so hard reading a thread on this site. Did it get out of hand? Yes it did. Was it taken care of? Yes it was. Now get over it. [/quote] SB117 Fo Lyf. I agree with Achilles for this one.

This original post made me laugh. First off, why cant the original writer just post it himself? He claims to be the only one brave enough to speak his own mind, yet does it from the shadows where no one can find him. Haha. That's just dumb. Secondly, tons of people contradict or disagree with the mods openly without facing bans. I mean as long as you do it tastefully and without any grief, you're just having a conversation, which is what a forum is all about in the first place. People just need to learn to follow the rules, punch people in the arm instead of the face, and move on.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkm0d (sp) utopiism[/quote] That's not even a WORD. It's utopianism! Guys, that big long line of Achronos-praise isn't helping to disprove the original post. He posted some stuff, big whoop! -TGP-

I cant belive im actually running IE just to post in this insane thread... I am also freeking tired, and theres no way i could read all that. But i tried to readd most or at least, some important parts. To settle all this would be impossible. Bungie isn't a utopia, and never will be. Nothing will ever reach a state of (sp) utopiism Its just not going to happen. Some of the forums are in dissaray, i honestly think IP banning and even .net passport restrictions would make this forum A LOT less crap-ridden. But thats not the case, so you really just have to deal with all the stupidity and accept it. You cant fix a forum that supports free will IMO. there will allways be differenecs in opinion and what not, therefore disputes will allways occur. If anything, this thread should serve as a good refererance to the on-going efforts to make bungie.net more and more of a cool place to be. My eyes hurt, i hate IE, and i also dont have spell check like i do on FF, so ima quite while i cant see if im ahead.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Captain K Mart Even after 2 years of doing that, there's almost no point in the long run. It's like pouring out a bucket of water from a lake once a week. There's not enough incentive to constantly post on a non-regular basis with replies that have some thought put in them.[/quote] And I'm going to beat Achronos to it. If he planned on getting to it.. >_> The New New Hawtness is apparently supposed to hold a feature so powerful, so horrifying, so sexy, that even Evilcam himself could not break it. It's intended to reward members based on positive behavior, as opposed to the current system which holds.. Respect. Who wants respect? Sheesh. That's like, old-school stuff. No one likes old-school stuff. I want shiny.

A way to better the forums...? Make everyone feel welcome, equal. From my experiences I see groups of guys that know eachother, or think they know alot, cruising around the forums boosting themselves and putting down anyone that offends the circle of friends. I think this needs to stop. New members don't start with a bunch of guys who know them and befriend them, and even older members that don't interact much are relatively unknown, there is no way for anyone to get to know them... (IRC can help though, and even posting...) I have been a member for a little while now, but due to my busy life, have not been able to interact in the forum/communtiy very often. Many newer members know more about forum/community happenings than I do... So I cop it a bit more than 'bob' that everyone knows. And if I insult 'bob' in someway, purposefully or not, I'm going to cop it bad from all his fans/buddies... Now that I think about it... There's no solution. People side with friends, people automaticaly look down on those less educated than them, new people get little respect. Ah well... When someone comes up with a solution, let us know.... (Off topic?　I'm confused...) [Edited on 3/14/2007]

Wow. Just way too much yellow for me here. I read everything but I swear I am tired and I cannot fit all this in. So I will just touch on the things I can remember. [*][u]TFM[/u] - Great group of guys. I don't know all of them but for the most part they are very tight knit and freely speak their minds on subjects they feel strongly about. From what I can tell is when one of their own disagrees the accept it and move on. Quite frankly if you don't like them just ignore them. I think it would be what they want anyways. [*][u]Bungie Jumpers[/u] - Myself and a slew of other Ninjas are a part of this group. Basically I find it as a great place where we treat each other as group of [b]normal people[/b]. Just because some of us are mods holds [b]no weight[/b] at all in there. I find it very refreshing to be in a place where I don't have to worry about every little thing I say. To touch on the TFM part there are many of them in there as well. The same holds true for how they treat us as they do each other. Sometimes it can seem like we are brash but in the end you must realize that in there you must fire back and stand your ground. If you do not show some backbone you will run off thinking we are all just mean guys. I can't speak for them but it does seem to me that people who are not afraid to speak there mind and stand up for themselves do survive in the Jumpers. One last point on this part. You also need to read the home page. Granted it is in Latin but it does say "Abandon all hope to ye who enter." If that doesn't tell you what you might be in for then I don't what will. [*][u]Jay and Jeff[/u] - What can I say. They can come off as brash, arrogant, rude, and they will more than likely say something that gets under your skin. I love them for it. They speak up for what they believe in and hold true to it. I commend them for it. I don't know them as well as the rest of the guys in TFM and Jumpers do but I can say that if you gain their respect then you will have a great pair of people to have fun. I just need to find time to play with them more. [*][u]The Spartan Bruce thread[/u] - To me it was just (how to put this).....oh yeah it was -blam!- hilarious. I have never laughed so hard reading a thread on this site. Did it get out of hand? Yes it did. Was it taken care of? Yes it was. Now get over it. [*][u]The moderator stuff[/u] - I don't even no where to begin with this one. Apparently the mod class of '07 broke the Septagon today. Too many threads about moderators and they are starting to seem like it was because of our actions. I for one could care less if I became a mod. Now I will say I was gigdy when I got it because it was a cool new thing and of course now I could help make the forums a better place. I knew it was going to be hard but some of the stuff you cannot prepare for. Now as I learn and grow in my new role I am getting more comfortable with my duties. As for the picking of mods all I can say is meh. They are picked on criteria that Achronos has set down and the other mods give their feedback to who they think will make a good one. Achronos has the final say in the matter. I cannot comment on the other mods who have stepped down. That was between them and Achronos and is of no concern to me. Now I cannot remember what else I wanted to touch on. Too much at once I suppose or my old age as some would have me believe. Oh well. I guess if I remember anything else I can post it later. Oh and any moderator problems can always be traced back to Cam. I have no proof of this but it is my story and I am sticking to it.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EastBeast I rarely post, but I think some people could learn something from what I have to say. When I joined b.net, I (like most, I suppose) looked to the moderators and employees with respect (especially once the shiny text was given to them alone). I too desired that respect and so set out to be a good poster. I ended up getting banned by Shishka - and I became more careful. I posted things when I had an opinion, I occasionally mentioned the rules, I was active. But then, after some noisy forum drama had settled, I read a post by Recon about the [i]no-reply[/i] button. (Maybe it was called something else ;) It was then that I realized that I should only post when I could add constructively to a discussion. Since then, I have lurked. In the past year, I have posted only a few times (almost all in the un-stickied networking thread) - becuase I knew what I was talking about where others didn't. A discussion has no need of echoes, or flattery, or posturing. We have the entire internet and linking to it is as easy as can be. Posts should stand on merit, on content, not the number of people who quote it or say that it was well written. So, be silent and speak only when you believe what you have to say will enlighten others.[/quote] This was well written. .. .. No, just kidding. I actually have something to say concerning this post. I'd have to comment; if everyone wrote like this, and only posted when there was something to be said, (maybe minus the occasional hilarious comment that's too good to pass up) the forums would be a lot cleaner, and things would go smoother. Of course, this requires self-control, patience, and maturity, three things of which I don't have enough of, along with [i]thousands[/i] of other users. Point? I have no idea. Be good, and Santa will bring you presents? Be good and the community will improve? (although I find it rather well off at the moment) Interpret as you will, but I believe this is great advice that would've prevented about.. 1.. 2.. 5 threads today. ;)

I rarely post, but I think some people could learn something from what I have to say. When I joined b.net, I (like most, I suppose) looked to the moderators and employees with respect (especially once the shiny text was given to them alone). I too desired that respect and so set out to be a good poster. I ended up getting banned by Shishka - and I became more careful. I posted things when I had an opinion, I occasionally mentioned the rules, I was active. But then, after some noisy forum drama had settled, I read a post by Recon about the [i]no-reply[/i] button. (Maybe it was called something else ;) It was then that I realized that I should only post when I could add constructively to a discussion. Since then, I have lurked. In the past year, I have posted only a few times (almost all in the un-stickied networking thread) - becuase I knew what I was talking about where others didn't. A discussion has no need of echoes, or flattery, or posturing. We have the entire internet and linking to it is as easy as can be. Posts should stand on merit, on content, not the number of people who quote it or say that it was well written. So, be silent and speak only when you believe what you have to say will enlighten others.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SS_Zag1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] phoenix67 I never expect the people who actually work at Bungie to post very often. I'm surprised how much achronos hangs around ( which is a good thing).[/quote] Actually, I hear they found him on the sidewalk outside, and they realized he was pretty good at posting things on the forums.. He doesn't work there, he just kind of.. Homelesses his way around the studio.[/quote] Yeah, but I heard he had to be beaten with a wet noodle by the big black dude who works at the front door keeping out fans. I guess by homeless you mean cubicleless.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] phoenix67 I never expect the people who actually work at Bungie to post very often. I'm surprised how much achronos hangs around ( which is a good thing).[/quote] Yeah.. it seems he's posting a lot often these days. I remember a few months ago it was more rare for him to post. Either that or my memory is jogged.