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11/30/2012 2:45:08 AM
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Does having a Christmas Tree in public really offend anyone???
I see this every year that people get offended that there is a Christmas Tree in like a town square, a public office, etc.
It is now becoming more "politically correct" to say happy Holidays and saying "Merry Christmas" is becoming offensive. Isn't that a bit silly?
It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you?
[Edited on 11.29.2012 6:45 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority.[/quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]>>>[/url][/quote] Fail? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] I never said that they do. But it is the majority that puts the people [i]they[/i] want into government positions. Those people in those government positions are being voted for because they represent the values of the majority of people, enough to be elected. Therefore, the values of that majority are recognized and given more power in how our country is governed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ABotelho [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote]Sadly though, that's not how it happens. The Government gives power to the majority. Majority = Christians. Christians = Christmas.[/quote] No. The government is meant to represent the people. What you said makes no sense. The people voting against the winner could have all been Christian.[/quote]Yeah, it's meant to, but are you really going to give x amount of people the same amount of say as xxxxxxxxx amount of people? That would be unfair.[/quote] That's just how democracy works. Not hard to understand, really.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ABotelho [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote]Sadly though, that's not how it happens. The Government gives power to the majority. Majority = Christians. Christians = Christmas.[/quote] No. The government is meant to represent the people. What you said makes no sense. The people voting against the winner could have all been Christian.[/quote]Yeah, it's meant to, but are you really going to give x amount of people the same amount of say as xxxxxxxxx amount of people? That would be unfair.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote]Sadly though, that's not how it happens. The Government gives power to the majority. Majority = Christians. Christians = Christmas.[/quote] No. The government is meant to represent the people. What you said makes no sense. The people voting against the winner could have all been Christian.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority.[/quote] The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote]Where is this oppression you speak of?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 "One nation, under God..." If you still don't believe that this nation was [u]founded on Christianity[/u] now... [b]go to a history class[/b] or something lol.[/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli]Follow your own advice[/url][/quote] You're not getting what I'm saying. Yes, constitutionally the USA doesn't endorse any single religion.[/quote]Oh, but according to you, it was founded on Christianity. Didn't you? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 "One nation, under God..." If you still don't believe that this nation was [u]founded on Christianity[/u] now... [b]go to a history class[/b] or something lol.[/quote]It seems that you did.[/quote] I worded that wrong. I should have said society, not nation. Sorry for making a mistake.
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Being "Offended" is like saying your joy offends me. :/
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority.[/quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]>>>[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority.[/quote] The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist So, you agree that religious displays should be absent from federal property, correct?[/quote] Christmas can be seen through a secular looking glass, and it's just part of the tradition of America. Christmas is kind of ambiguous, whether its roots are or not. You can celebrate it without Christ, or you can celebrate it with. What you really should be asking me is do I agree that the US government should stop celebrating a holiday that we have traditionally celebrated since the beginning of this country? No, I don't think so. Simply because a select few minorities feel offended that our country celebrates it doesn't warrant the need to abolish it. It's part of our culture, our tradition, and part of our society's fiber. It's just what we do. If you don't like it, you don't have to live here.
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Blarg. I want to stay, but I must go to bed. Nighty-night, all.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority. The ideals of the minority have a much lesser possibility of being recognized because it is just the minority, and has limited power because it is faced by the majority. [Edited on 11.29.2012 7:47 PM PST]
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I swear to god I will punch someone in the face if I seen some guy at my college complaining about our christmas tree
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote]Sadly though, that's not how it happens. The Government gives power to the majority. Majority = Christians. Christians = Christmas.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Locke357 Yes, advocating one religion in the absence of others (in the public sphere) is offensive[/quote] No one else is really being exclusivity, everyone has a right to practice and believe what they want. Wouldn't the act of preventing people from celebrating their beliefs be just as if not more offensive than a pine tree with ornaments?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie And there are plenty who don't. Your point? Look, explaining this to you is starting to go both political and religious. So I'm going to back off now, before I get a ban.[/quote] My point is I don't see how the mere sight of a Christmas Tree offends people enough to want to ruin the enjoyment for everyone else. [/quote]OK, last time. Its that a government sponsored Christmas tree is a symbol that in order to be included in our society, you must be celebrate Christmas, which is, or has its roots in Christianity. So, a non-Christian would feel excluded from our supposed inclusive society. So, why not deal with the core problem and celebrate ALL faiths? Put up decorations for every religion? Then no one is selected above any other.[/quote]That would be a city/state problem. Plus, that's how society works, the majority of people, with the same beliefs are going to have majority say. If you live in America, you should know that the majority of the population is Christian, thus, they will celebrate christian holidays. No where does it say they have to be left out of the celebrations or out of the loop. They have the freedom to go and celebrate their own holiday.[/quote] For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority.
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I don't follow the religions that celebrate holidays such as Christmas or Easter, but it doesn't bother me when I see Santa at the mall or people wishing me a Merry Christmas. If you get offended at this... *sigh* [Edited on 11.29.2012 7:43 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie And there are plenty who don't. Your point? Look, explaining this to you is starting to go both political and religious. So I'm going to back off now, before I get a ban.[/quote] My point is I don't see how the mere sight of a Christmas Tree offends people enough to want to ruin the enjoyment for everyone else. [/quote]OK, last time. Its that a government sponsored Christmas tree is a symbol that in order to be included in our society, you must be celebrate Christmas, which is, or has its roots in Christianity. So, a non-Christian would feel excluded from our supposed inclusive society. So, why not deal with the core problem and celebrate ALL faiths? Put up decorations for every religion? Then no one is selected above any other.[/quote]That would be a city/state problem. Plus, that's how society works, the majority of people, with the same beliefs are going to have majority say. If you live in America, you should know that the majority of the population is Christian, thus, they will celebrate christian holidays. No where does it say they have to be left out of the celebrations or out of the loop. They have the freedom to go and celebrate their own holiday.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 "One nation, under God..." If you still don't believe that this nation was [u]founded on Christianity[/u] now... [b]go to a history class[/b] or something lol.[/quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli]Follow your own advice[/url][/quote] You're not getting what I'm saying. Yes, constitutionally the USA doesn't endorse any single religion.[/quote]Oh, but according to you, it was founded on Christianity. Didn't you? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 "One nation, under God..." If you still don't believe that this nation was [u]founded on Christianity[/u] now... [b]go to a history class[/b] or something lol.[/quote]It seems that you did.
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Yes, advocating one religion in the absence of others (in the public sphere) is offensive [Edited on 11.29.2012 7:42 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie And there are plenty who don't. Your point? Look, explaining this to you is starting to go both political and religious. So I'm going to back off now, before I get a ban.[/quote] My point is I don't see how the mere sight of a Christmas Tree offends people enough to want to ruin the enjoyment for everyone else. [/quote]OK, last time. Its that a government sponsored Christmas tree is a symbol that in order to be included in our society, you must be celebrate Christmas, which is, or has its roots in Christianity. So, a non-Christian would feel excluded from our supposed inclusive society. So, why not deal with the core problem and celebrate ALL faiths? Put up decorations for every religion? Then no one is selected above any other.[/quote] Okay. Put a menorah near the tree, hell put a crescent and a star, or maybe a representation of the 5 pillars of Islam. I. Don't. Care. The Government can recognize a religion, but not endorse it. I don't see a Christmas tree on the town center as my Local government endorsing a religion I honestly dislike.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie OK, last time. Its that a government sponsored Christmas tree is a symbol that in order to be included in our society, you must be celebrate Christmas, which is, or has its roots in Christianity. So, a non-Christian would feel excluded from our supposed inclusive society. So, why not deal with the core problem and celebrate ALL faiths? Put up decorations for every religion? Then no one is selected above any other.[/quote] It doesn't seem to be getting in their heads...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie So, why not deal with the core problem and celebrate ALL faiths? Put up decorations for every religion? Then no one is selected above any other.[/quote] That would cause too much religious tension.[/quote]Isn't religious tension exactly what we are discussing in this thread?
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Everyone thinks they can complain about every little thing it's -blam!- annoying. It is a tree with lights and decorations. People these days suck
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ErranInfigo It is a symbol Christmas in the secular sense, I am not even christian and I think the Cross is the symbol for Christ, and therefore is the symbol for the celebration of his birth, (which is off anyway, but that is a different story) the tree came from a Pagan holiday (also related to the date being wrong) and Christmas was used to make the transition from Pagan, to Christian, a lot easier. [/quote] Yes, it is a more secular symbol, but that doesn't detract from the fact that Christmas is a religiously rooted holiday. As a symbol for a religious holiday, it can be seen as a symbol with religious roots as well. That is regardless of its Pagan origin (The holiday for which it started was likely religious as well). Like I said, it is a symbol in both senses, religious and secular.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie So, why not deal with the core problem and celebrate ALL faiths? Put up decorations for every religion? Then no one is selected above any other.[/quote] That would cause too much religious tension.
