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11/30/2012 2:45:08 AM
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Does having a Christmas Tree in public really offend anyone???
I see this every year that people get offended that there is a Christmas Tree in like a town square, a public office, etc.
It is now becoming more "politically correct" to say happy Holidays and saying "Merry Christmas" is becoming offensive. Isn't that a bit silly?
It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you?
[Edited on 11.29.2012 6:45 PM PST]
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I swear it's like you guys don't understand the government isn't supposed to show religious bias. It's really that simple. Government land = no tree Private land = tree if they chose to That's it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.[/quote] Lrn2history Half the reason the Constitution was created was to prevent the tragedy that is mobocracy. -blam!- sleep. There are wrong people on the internet.[/quote] How are amendments created? Either by the House [b]or[/b] the Senate. How does it get passed? Ratification of 3/4 of the states. Who chooses the representatives of the House and the Senate? The people o yea. Pretty simple bro.[/quote][url=http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/]Hmm?[/url] [quote]The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives [b]and[/b] the Senate[/quote][/quote] Oops, made an error. Thanks for pointing it out. That still doesn't do anything to my argument because both the representatives of the House and the Senate are both elected by the people.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.[/quote] Lrn2history Half the reason the Constitution was created was to prevent the tragedy that is mobocracy. -blam!- sleep. There are wrong people on the internet.[/quote] How are amendments created? Either by the House or the Senate. How does it get passed? Ratification of 3/4 of the states. Who chooses the representatives of the House and the Senate? The people o yea. Pretty simple bro.[/quote] Reconstruction Acts, bro. Look it up. The Federal government has the right to overturn the State government when it comes to the protection of the rights of its people. [/quote] Apparantly you're just throwing irrelevant material around, such as the reconstruction acts. It was just a process to get the rebel states back into the union. How does that have anything to do with what we're talking about? Wait... do you actually know what you're talking about?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.[/quote] Lrn2history Half the reason the Constitution was created was to prevent the tragedy that is mobocracy. -blam!- sleep. There are wrong people on the internet.[/quote] How are amendments created? Either by the House [b]or[/b] the Senate. How does it get passed? Ratification of 3/4 of the states. Who chooses the representatives of the House and the Senate? The people o yea. Pretty simple bro.[/quote][url=http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/]Hmm?[/url] [quote]The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives [b]and[/b] the Senate[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the Han [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MongotheRed [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 It is now becoming more "politically correct" to say happy Holidays and saying "Merry Christmas" is becoming offensive. Isn't that a bit silly?[/quote]How is it silly? [quote]It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you? [/quote]They're upset because they're trying to prevent the monopolization of public space by Christianity.[/quote] What!?! That's the dumbest reason I have ever heard. They could put their stuff where ever they want. It's not like there is literally a Christmas tree every three feet. You'd have to be an idiot to be offended by a holiday or a tree.[/quote] exactly."freedom of religion" applies to [b]EVERYONE.[/b][/quote] And Christmas trees do not infringe on anyone's right to freedom of religion.
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It shouldn't, and if it really does offend someone they need to get over it and realize that life doesn't cater to them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.[/quote] Lrn2history Half the reason the Constitution was created was to prevent the tragedy that is mobocracy. -blam!- sleep. There are wrong people on the internet.[/quote] How are amendments created? Either by the House or the Senate. How does it get passed? Ratification of 3/4 of the states. Who chooses the representatives of the House and the Senate? The people o yea. Pretty simple bro.[/quote] Reconstruction Acts, bro. Look it up. The Federal government has the right to overturn the State government when it comes to the protection of the rights of its people. Moreover, you know the current Constitution prohibits the Federal government from endorsing religion, right? [Edited on 11.29.2012 8:07 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MongotheRed [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 It is now becoming more "politically correct" to say happy Holidays and saying "Merry Christmas" is becoming offensive. Isn't that a bit silly?[/quote]How is it silly? [quote]It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you? [/quote]They're upset because they're trying to prevent the monopolization of public space by Christianity.[/quote] What!?! That's the dumbest reason I have ever heard. They could put their stuff where ever they want. It's not like there is literally a Christmas tree every three feet. You'd have to be an idiot to be offended by a holiday or a tree.[/quote] exactly."freedom of religion" applies to EVERYONE.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist Last time I'm posting before I hit the hay, for realz this time While it is true that the government is there to represent the people and there values, there certain restraints put in place by the constitution to prevent the rights of the minority from being taken away. One of the most important of these failsafes is the right to be ruled under a government free from religious bias. Therefore, it is fundamentally unconstitutional for a government entity to endorse a religious ideology in any sort of manner. [/quote] Did you not read my posts or what I was responding to? You apparently agree now, but the only thing I was saying was that the government does not represent all of the people. It doesn't. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]Fine[/url], Now are you going to continue copping me out or actually give a proper response?[/quote] I'm not even sure if I care to, considering your blatant idiocy towards me. I feel you have made the same mistake the other guy did, so see above. You Floodians really need to stop reading things I'm not typing and arguing against me as if I did type them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.[/quote] Lrn2history Half the reason the Constitution was created was to prevent the tragedy that is mobocracy. -blam!- sleep. There are wrong people on the internet.[/quote] How are amendments created? Either by the House or the Senate. How does it get passed? Ratification of 3/4 of the states. Who chooses the representatives of the House and the Senate? The people o yea. Pretty simple bro. Might I add... what do amendments do? They amend the constitution.... ooh that must hurt. Seriously dude, how is this hard to understand? [Edited on 11.29.2012 8:04 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ABotelho [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 Yeah, it's meant to, but are you really going to give x amount of people the same amount of say as xxxxxxxxx amount of people? That would be unfair.[/quote]That's not even relevant. They are two different majorities. Muslims, jews, hindus, etc could have all voted for Obama along with a a whole bunch of Christians. Christians could have also been the only ones voting for Romney. Two different majorities. They aren't necessarily the same people.[/quote] You turned it into voting. I am relating how the majority has the most say in the Government to how the majority of the population is Christian, thus, they would have more power to celebrate what they want nationally. What? Should we listen to someone from the UK complain about how they think the 4th of July is offensive? Don't you dare say it's irrelevant because it is. The same principle applies.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.[/quote] Lrn2history Half the reason the Constitution was created was to prevent the tragedy that is mobocracy. -blam!- sleep. There are wrong people on the internet.
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I personally don't mind, but I believe that [i]government [/i]shouldn't show any amount of support for a particular religion without supporting all others, which, last as i checked, isn't feasible.
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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]Fine[/url], Now are you going to continue copping me out or actually give a proper response?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority.[/quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]>>>[/url][/quote] Fail? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] I never said that they do. But it is the majority that puts the people [i]they[/i] want into government positions. Those people in those government positions are being voted for because they represent the values of the majority of people, enough to be elected. Therefore, the values of that majority are recognized and given more power in how our country is governed.[/quote] Last time I'm posting before I hit the hay, for realz this time While it is true that the government is there to represent the people and their values, there exist certain restraints put in place by the constitution to prevent the rights of the minority from being taken away. One of the most important of these failsafes is the right to be ruled under a government free from religious bias. Therefore, it is fundamentally unconstitutional for a government entity to endorse a religious ideology in any sort of manner. [Edited on 11.29.2012 8:00 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ABotelho [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.[/quote] Buddy, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.[/quote] Do you even know how amendments are even made in the first place?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.[/quote] Buddy, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority.[/quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]>>>[/url][/quote] Fail?[/quote]Fine, you got me. Now how about a proper response?[/quote] How exactly do I respond to a failed quote? The most I can get from it is that it has something to do with Tyranny_of_the_majority. If you want a proper response, give me something that I can properly respond to.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] You're forgetting that the majority is the one who even creates "rights" in the first place. The majority can change rights if they so please.
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Tax dollars towards public figures, representing only one denomination? Naw.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgentCOP1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ABotelho [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote]Sadly though, that's not how it happens. The Government gives power to the majority. Majority = Christians. Christians = Christmas.[/quote] No. The government is meant to represent the people. What you said makes no sense. The people voting against the winner could have all been Christian.[/quote]Yeah, it's meant to, but are you really going to give x amount of people the same amount of say as xxxxxxxxx amount of people? That would be unfair.[/quote] That's just how democracy works. Not hard to understand, really.[/quote]Exactly, but everyone keeps on throwing this "representation for all" statement. While it's nice, everyone knows that the majority has the most say.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Adamal123 Yeah, it's meant to, but are you really going to give x amount of people the same amount of say as xxxxxxxxx amount of people? That would be unfair.[/quote]That's not even relevant. They are two different majorities. Muslims, jews, hindus, etc could have all voted for Obama along with a a whole bunch of Christians. Christians could have also been the only ones voting for Romney. Two different majorities. They aren't necessarily the same people.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority.[/quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]>>>[/url][/quote] Fail?[/quote]Fine, you got me. Now how about a proper response?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kikashi hatake It's -blam!- America. People can celebrate what ever the -blam!- we want. If muslims are allowed to put temples up next to the twin towers, we can put up christmas tree's. If Hindu's or whatever else wants to put up symbollic decorations, GO LET THEM. This is America![/quote]This is about government sponsored decorations.
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It's -blam!- America. People can celebrate what ever the -blam!- we want. If muslims are allowed to put temples up next to the twin towers, we can put up christmas tree's. If Hindu's or whatever else wants to put up symbollic decorations, GO LET THEM. This is America!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Dutchy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PheonixofLight [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie For real this time, last go: I will only say this to you: The Government represents ALL people, not just the Majority. [/quote] Pfft. You must have forgotten. We vote for our government by majority. A government voted for by the majority represents the values of that majority.[/quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]>>>[/url][/quote] Fail? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MilitaryTheorist The majority in no way, shape, or form has the right to oppress or impose their beliefs on the minority through governmental power.[/quote] I never said that they do. But it is the majority that puts the people [i]they[/i] want into government positions. Those people in those government positions are being voted for because they represent the values of the majority of people, enough to be elected. Therefore, the values of that majority are recognized and given more power in how our country is governed.
