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10/14/2012 10:54:57 PM
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Who would win? Halo Universe or Star Wars Universe?
So my friend told me Star Wars can beat Halo and i said no. Then an discussion broke out which could win, then other people got involved. We need to resolve this as I know tthis will not end.
Halo has:
-Master Chief
-Cortana
-Forunners
-UNSC
-Covenant
-Halo Rings
Star Wars:
-Jedi/Sith
-Death Star
-Star Killer
-Darth Vader
-Starcrusher
-Stormtroopers(Regular enlisted men)
-Droids
-All the aliens and weapons from every inhabited world
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KaneXX12 It would not kill everything in the halo universe, because there are still AI's, monitors, sentinels, and everyone who went into a shield world, or outside the galaxy.[/quote] Then the Covenant would be dead, the UNSC would be dead (although that wouldn't really matter anyway) and the majority of the Forerunners (you guessed it) would be dead. That's half of the Haloverse already taken out. [quote] And may I ask how Sidious can create wormholes?[/quote] [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_storm_(wormhole)]Here ya go.[/url] If one force user can do that to an [i]entire[/i] fleet in the Star Wars verse, it's safe to say Halo is pretty screwed.
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Going solely on the movie cannon, halo would win. It took the empire a huge ass battle station to destroy a planet, while forerunners were able to send stars into supernova at semi-regular occasions to stop the progress of the flood, indicating probably numerous or easily transportable superweapons. Also picture what would happen if the gravemind infected a jedi and worked out how to use the force...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan Going solely on the movie cannon, halo would win. It took the empire a huge ass battle station to destroy a planet, while forerunners were able to send stars into supernova at semi-regular occasions to stop the progress of the flood, indicating probably numerous or easily transportable superweapons. Also picture what would happen if the gravemind infected a jedi and worked out how to use the force...[/quote] So you give the Haloverse it's ace in the hole (Forerunners), but restrict Star Wars by only using movie canon and not expanded universe? That's like me saying Star Wars gets all the Jedi and Sith to have ever existed while Halo only gets the UNSC and the Covenant. It's a double standard. So either pick: 1)Current Halo and current Star Wars up against each other. e.g. UNSC, Covenant Flood etc vs Jedi and Sith at the time, Stormtroopers etc. or 2) Expanded universe Star Wars vs Expanded universe Halo e.g. Forerunners, Precursors vs Yuuzhang Vong, all Sith and all Jedi, Rakata etc. [Edited on 10.15.2012 3:40 AM PDT]
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Let's just go with super weapons Halo -The Rings Star Wars -Star Forge -Death Star -Death Star II -Mass Shadow Generator -Galaxy Gun -Sun Crusher -Eclipse Class Star Destroyer And these are only the most known ones. Also, you all forgot the Force ghosts and the angels. They can't be killed, yet they can attack.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC So either pick: 1)Current Halo and current Star Wars up against each other. e.g. UNSC, Covenant Flood etc vs Jedi and Sith at the time, Stormtroopers etc. or 2) Expanded universe Star Wars vs Expanded universe Halo e.g. Forerunners, Precursors vs Yuuzhang Vong, all Sith and all Jedi, Rakata etc.[/quote] Putting in the precursors isn't an option because we don't even know what they're capable of so I'd have to pick option 1. Going on that I can't really say because there's no comparison on weapon and shield strength for the two universes. For all we know, Mac blasts could go straight through SW shields or lasers could go straight through covie shields.
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covenant cruisers and other star ships would destroy everything
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Yuuzhan Vong alone makes it an instant win for the Star Wars universe. [Edited on 10.15.2012 3:51 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mzone7 Let's just go with super weapons Halo -The Rings -MAC rounds -Cleansing beam -Pulse cannons -Mass Drivers -Advanced Technology -Scarabs and other devastating aircrafts -AA guns -strong,powerful enemies -heavy artilery vehicles ... Star Wars -Star Forge -Death Star -Death Star II -Mass Shadow Generator -Galaxy Gun -Sun Crusher -Eclipse Class Star Destroyer And these are only the most known ones. Also, you all forgot the Force ghosts and the angels. They can't be killed, yet they can attack.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC So either pick: 1)Current Halo and current Star Wars up against each other. e.g. UNSC, Covenant Flood etc vs Jedi and Sith at the time, Stormtroopers etc. or 2) Expanded universe Star Wars vs Expanded universe Halo e.g. Forerunners, Precursors vs Yuuzhang Vong, all Sith and all Jedi, Rakata etc.[/quote] Putting in the precursors isn't an option because we don't even know what they're capable of so I'd have to pick option 1. [/quote] We know enough about them, that they're invincible to everything but there own weapons and exist in multiple galaxies across the universe, and are related, or maybe are, the creator god of the Haloverse. Really the invincibility factor is the deciding factor that they [i]can[/i] be talked about, for like 5 minutes before Star Wars can't do anything to them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC So either pick: 1)Current Halo and current Star Wars up against each other. e.g. UNSC, Covenant Flood etc vs Jedi and Sith at the time, Stormtroopers etc. or 2) Expanded universe Star Wars vs Expanded universe Halo e.g. Forerunners, Precursors vs Yuuzhang Vong, all Sith and all Jedi, Rakata etc.[/quote] Putting in the precursors isn't an option because we don't even know what they're capable of so I'd have to pick option 1. [/quote] We know enough about them, that they're invincible to everything but there own weapons and exist in multiple galaxies across the universe, and are related, or maybe are, the creator god of the Haloverse. Really the invincibility factor is the deciding factor that they [i]can[/i] be talked about, for like 5 minutes before Star Wars can't do anything to them.[/quote] The forerunners defeated them, (This doesn't make the forerunners stronger than them) so they aren't totally invincible. [Edited on 10.15.2012 4:24 AM PDT]
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Warhammer 40K universe. END OF THREAD!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Really the invincibility factor is the deciding factor that they [i]can[/i] be talked about, for like 5 minutes before Star Wars can't do anything to them.[/quote] The Forerunners pretty much decimated their entire species somehow. They're far from invincible, (or even formidable) if a civilization below their tier defeated them. [Edited on 10.15.2012 4:53 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Really the invincibility factor is the deciding factor that they [i]can[/i] be talked about, for like 5 minutes before Star Wars can't do anything to them.[/quote] The Forerunners pretty much decimated their entire species somehow. They're far from invincible, (or even formidable) if a civilization below their tier defeated them.[/quote] They didn't expect it. They created the forerunners, probably as a sort of slave race and when then rebelled the precursors were caught off guard. The UNSC defeated the flood but the forerunners didn't, does that make the UNSC stronger than the forerunners?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Really the invincibility factor is the deciding factor that they [i]can[/i] be talked about, for like 5 minutes before Star Wars can't do anything to them.[/quote] The Forerunners pretty much decimated their entire species somehow. They're far from invincible, (or even formidable) if a civilization below their tier defeated them.[/quote] They didn't expect it. They created the forerunners, probably as a sort of slave race and when then rebelled the precursors were caught off guard. The UNSC defeated the flood but the forerunners didn't, does that make the UNSC stronger than the forerunners?[/quote] They didn't defeat the Flood actually, they killed of a small infestation. There's rumoured to Flood in other installations and possibly outside of the galaxy. And the UNSC had help from the Separatists. They didn't do it solo. How could a god like race be caught off guard by an even lesser race? If the Precursors really did create the Forerunners, shouldn't they have engineered a fail safe into them so they couldn't rebel?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan They didn't expect it. They created the forerunners, probably as a sort of slave race and when then rebelled the precursors were caught off guard. The UNSC defeated the flood but the forerunners didn't, does that make the UNSC stronger than the forerunners?[/quote] They didn't defeat the Flood actually, they killed of a small infestation. There's rumoured to Flood in other installations and possibly outside of the galaxy. And the UNSC had help from the Separatists. They didn't do it solo. How could a god like race be caught off guard by an even lesser race? If the Precursors really did create the Forerunners, shouldn't they have engineered a fail safe into them so they couldn't rebel? [/quote] You could ask the same of any hero/villain conflict. The hero always wins despite impossible odds just because they are the hero. By your logic, the rebels must be superior to the empire because they defeated it, Luke and Vader must be superior to Sidious because they managed to kill him. Why didn't sidious plant a kill switch on vader in case he betrayed him? [Edited on 10.15.2012 5:09 AM PDT]
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This thread has been done several thousand times now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan They didn't expect it. They created the forerunners, probably as a sort of slave race and when then rebelled the precursors were caught off guard. The UNSC defeated the flood but the forerunners didn't, does that make the UNSC stronger than the forerunners?[/quote] They didn't defeat the Flood actually, they killed of a small infestation. There's rumoured to Flood in other installations and possibly outside of the galaxy. And the UNSC had help from the Separatists. They didn't do it solo. How could a god like race be caught off guard by an even lesser race? If the Precursors really did create the Forerunners, shouldn't they have engineered a fail safe into them so they couldn't rebel? [/quote] You could ask the same of any hero/villain conflict. The hero always wins despite impossible odds just because they are the hero. By your logic, the rebels must be superior to the empire because they defeated it, Luke and Vader must be superior to Sidious because they managed to kill him.[/quote] Sorry, why are we talking about plot interest now? This is irrelevant to a vs fight. You didn't answer my question either. [quote]Why didn't sidious plant a kill switch on vader in case he betrayed him?[/quote] Because Sidious didn't create Vader maybe? [Edited on 10.15.2012 5:12 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC Sorry, why are we talking about plot interest now? This is irrelevant to a vs fight.[/quote] You brought up the forerunner vs precursor issue dude. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC You didn't answer my question either.[/quote] Which question is this? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote]Why didn't sidious plant a kill switch on vader in case he betrayed him?[/quote] Because Sidious didn't create Vader maybe?[/quote] I didn't create lions, but I can still attach an explosive collar to one. He could have easily implemented a shutdown command into vaders suit to suffocate him if he rebelled. [Edited on 10.15.2012 5:16 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan You brought up the forerunner vs precursor issue dude.[/quote] I'm still failing to see how this correlates with plot interest. Dude. [quote]Which question is this?[/quote] I only ever asked one question that wasn't rhetorical but ok: Why didn't the Precursors, with all their power and influence, engineer a fail safe on their creations(Forerunners) to avoid rebellion? [quote]I didn't create lions, but I can still attach an explosive collar to one. He could have easily implemented a shutdown command into vaders suit to suffocate him if he rebelled.[/quote] So why didn't the Precursors do this with the Forerunners? Or at least something similar. [Edited on 10.15.2012 5:28 AM PDT]
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Halo universe activates the rings and hides in shield worlds /theard. As for the droids, loldroids.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC I'm still failing to see how this correlates with plot interest. Dude.[/quote] My point is superiority doesn't always = insta-win. The forerunners wouldn't have lasted any amount of time against the precursors in a straight up fight, judging on how it took a halo ring to destroy the casing around the timeless one. [quote] Why didn't the Precursors, with all their power and influence, engineer a fail safe on their creations(Forerunners)?[/quote] Arrogance, Impatientness? We will most likely never know. It doesn't stop them from being able to bioengineer the greatest threat to organic life in the halo universe or being any less efficient at combat. [quote][quote]I didn't create lions, but I can still attach an explosive collar to one. He could have easily implemented a shutdown command into vaders suit to suffocate him if he rebelled.[/quote] So why didn't the Precursors do this with the Forerunners? Or at least something similar.[/quote] Why didn't palpatine do it? You can't ask me a question you can't answer. [Edited on 10.15.2012 5:35 AM PDT]
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Master Chief and Cortana... They win would win. ;_;
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan My point is superiority doesn't always = insta-win.[/quote] Most of the time it does. Hence the name "superior." Other times it's down to pure plot interest or sheer luck, but we don't consider them into a vs fight. We analyse their feats, powers, weapons etc, all those tangible things, and then we make a logical coherent conclusion based on the evidence provided. [quote]Arrogance, Impatientness? We will most likely never know. It doesn't stop them from being able to bioengineer the greatest threat to organic life in the halo universe or being any less efficient at combat.[/quote] The fact of the matter is, for a supposedly god like race, they don't seem all too powerful if their own inferior creations backfired on them. This tells me either: - The Precursors are retarded. or - They're not as powerful as we once thought.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote]Arrogance, Impatientness? We will most likely never know. It doesn't stop them from being able to bioengineer the greatest threat to organic life in the halo universe or being any less efficient at combat.[/quote] The fact of the matter is, for a supposedly god like race, they don't seem all too powerful if their own inferior creations backfired on them. This tells me either: - The Precursors are retarded. or - They're not as powerful as we once thought.[/quote] Ok, so the fact that no forerunner weapons could damage the timeless ones prison obviously proves they are superior to the precursors. You can't just scream one point really loudly in an attempt to drown out all the others. We have NO IDEA how the forerunners defeated them. It could have been pot luck or the precursors could have been retarded. But don't just assume they're retarded because it fits your arguement. Also since I have to go now I'll also say this: I'd leave races like the precursors out of it because we don't know enough about them to state their combat potential aside from the fact that they are obviously very powerful. Same for similar SW races. [Edited on 10.15.2012 5:42 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WEE MAN MJJC [quote]Arrogance, Impatientness? We will most likely never know. It doesn't stop them from being able to bioengineer the greatest threat to organic life in the halo universe or being any less efficient at combat.[/quote] The fact of the matter is, for a supposedly god like race, they don't seem all too powerful if their own inferior creations backfired on them. This tells me either: - The Precursors are retarded. or - They're not as powerful as we once thought.[/quote] Ok, so the fact that no forerunner weapons could damage the timeless ones prison obviously proves they are superior to the precursors. You can't just scream one point really loudly in an attempt to drown out all the others. We have NO IDEA how the forerunners defeated them. It could have been pot luck or the precursors could have been retarded. But don't just assume they're retarded because it fits your arguement.[/quote] I'm not. All I'm saying is, it doesn't exactly give the Precursors a good reputation, if lesser beings managed to not just defeat them, but completely and utterly destroy their entire species with but only one remaining.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Milky Bravo -The Rings[/quote] True. [quote]-MAC rounds -Cleansing beam -Pulse cannons -Mass Drivers[/quote] These are not super-weapons. At least, not nearly in the same league as the Halo Array or the Death Star. [quote]-Advanced Technology[/quote] Such as...? [quote]-Scarabs and other devastating aircrafts -AA guns[/quote] See above. Scarabs are regularly taken out by one guy who strolled on up and attacked its weak spot [i]for massive damage[/i] after rather easily crippling its legs. Not to mention they're slow as hell. [quote]-strong,powerful enemies[/quote] Such as...? [quote]-heavy artilery vehicles[/quote] See above.
