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10/14/2012 10:54:57 PM
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Who would win? Halo Universe or Star Wars Universe?
So my friend told me Star Wars can beat Halo and i said no. Then an discussion broke out which could win, then other people got involved. We need to resolve this as I know tthis will not end.
Halo has:
-Master Chief
-Cortana
-Forunners
-UNSC
-Covenant
-Halo Rings
Star Wars:
-Jedi/Sith
-Death Star
-Star Killer
-Darth Vader
-Starcrusher
-Stormtroopers(Regular enlisted men)
-Droids
-All the aliens and weapons from every inhabited world
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zoomzoom97 Sorry Halo guys, but I think it's safe to say you lost. While I would love to see that fight between the sides. For it would be a great battle. Yet Star Wars is simply to powerful. Sorry and with that I go to bed. [/quote]You do not decide who wins or loses.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Da Real Caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dahuterschuter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 the inside of the world is held suspended in an 11th dimensional fold the occupants would survive. [/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Covenant Carrier Standing on a ring while it's firing doesn't kill you.[/quote] Bottom line is you're both arguing a moot point. Even tuned to destroy all matter the Halo Rings are a slight inconvenience for the Star Wars troops.[/quote] I don't think you really understand what is going on here so ill breack it down Immediate action plan - Gather necessary personnel in the shield worlds> - Jump supper mac cannons to the rings with the forerunner ftl tear system near new Mombasa - Assemble the Pillar ships in synchronous orbit over the rings> - human and covanant armadas to the rings - Humans lay triggered FTL mines ala halo reach Literary ripping enemy ships in bits using subspace rifts >> Except able loss of 3 rings will still kill all life in the galaxy a rings fire sequence taks ~ 10 minutes. The pillar ships could more than handle a full scale attack combined with the rings defense system - Initiate the ring fire sequence. - Destroy all sentient life in the galaxy. - Move remaining pillar ships to the star forge Detonate ftl drive mines around star forge causing serious damage. - Mop up - star wars 100 percent loss - halo losses Extensive 80 to 90 percent even easier if you bring in the flood and the precursors. [/quote] This is implying Star Wars ships are incapable of defending themselves... In reality the fleet would be blown to bits and -blam!-. [/quote] I am not assuming they can't defend themselves I am saying they could easily be held at bay until the firing sequence is completed.... a halo can even fire with entire sections missing. more blind fanboyisms[/quote] Read my long previous post.
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Also it is IMPOSSIBLE to defend against an FTL rip mine like the one used in reach you are literary pulling the ship into 2 different dimensions.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 Im trying to be logical and your being a fan boy?[/quote] My sides. [quote]An ftl tear doesn't protect from the fireing of a ring only an 10th or 11th dimension fold system ala forerunner pods or sheild interiors can. [/quote] Hyper space is extra-dimensional, it's the slipspace of Star Wars. It removes them from the dimension, it's the same concept as the shield worlds. [quote]Its funny that you think the star wars armadas are more powerful than halo's they are at best an even match. #blindfanboy [/quote] This entire thread has shown that Star Wars armadas are more powerful. You're starting from the Halo standpoint and trying to argue for Halo, rather than starting from a neutral standpoint, finding the most defensible position, and taking that. The horse you've chosen to back happens to be the slow one in this race, and the facts support that. Unless you've got some other angles you'd like to come at this from.
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I don't have the time to go ship by ship and weapon by weapon and break the entire thing down I know for certain using a combination of ftl mines supper mac platforms and pillar ships that they can defend atleast 4 of the 13 rings long enough to fire the rings. And before you say there are only 7 leave the thread Pre-emptive mysides.jpg
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dahuterschuter This entire thread has shown that Star Wars armadas are more powerful.[/quote] ...Yet its been proven that Forerunner ships are more powerful than Star Wars armadas.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Covenant Carrier [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dahuterschuter This entire thread has shown that Star Wars armadas are more powerful.[/quote] ...Yet its been proven that Forerunner ships are more powerful than Star Wars armadas.[/quote] they also think that a star wars ship can take a hit from a supper mac and not take damage... Like i said.
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Also the rings are spread over the entire galaxy theres no way you could even get to them all to kill all but 4 in time to stop it. The sheer amount of space prevents an accurate defense against the rings.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 I don't have the time to go ship by ship and weapon by weapon and break the entire thing down[/quote] You don't have to. Star Wars ships are vastly superior in general and can be proven with basic math. [quote] I know for certain using a combination of ftl mines supper mac platforms and pillar ships that they can defend atleast 4 of the 13 rings long enough to fire the rings. [/quote] A mac blast will do nothing to a Star Destroyer shield, they will then be ripped apart by pettawatts of energy. FTL mines can only be deployed if the mine layers can make it. You're also implying that durasteel can't withstand the force. Even so, more ships. The Star Forge is also a force powered entity. A binding force. You also believe that the rings will make a difference. The rings discriminate and that's always been their flaw. It only wipes out sentient life. Guess what. A [b]majority[/b] of beings in the Star Wars universe are not sentient. Theyre droids. The UNSC is a force that's based on a 200 year older civilization. You honestly think their ships will stand a remote chance against anything a force that's based on decades of canonical sci-fi development? I honestly think you might be mentally impaired. [Edited on 10.14.2012 8:19 PM PDT]
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-_- the fact that you think a shield can stop a 3000ton round fired at the constant C' is absolutely absurd. Also the fact that you don't understand what a FTL mine is. An ftl mine like the one used in halo reach doesn't "explode" it literally moves part of the ship to another dimension ripping it apart, nothing can prevent that. [Edited on 10.14.2012 8:21 PM PDT]
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Let's see the Force repel a nice MAC slug.
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Now lets sit back and take a look at how stupid the droids are, assuming the rings are successful in killing all sentient life the automated systems of the pillar ships and the combined force of the sentinels could handle the situation.
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I gots a question. If a flood spore were to infect a Jedi or Sith would the infected whatever be able to use the force?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 -_- the fact that you think a shield can stop a 3000ton round fired at the constant C' is absolutely absurd. [/quote] Wrong. It's not C, it's point four tenths of C. "These cannons fire a 3000-ton ferric-tungsten round at 12,000 kilometers per second,[3] or point four-tenths the speed of light" Do the math. That's not petawatts of energy. Star Destroyers eat that. [quote] Also the fact that you don't understand what a FTL mine is. An ftl mine like the one used in halo reach doesn't "explode" it literally moves part of the ship to another dimension ripping it apart, nothing can prevent that. [/quote] Again, the Star Forge is a force empowered/protected/fueled entity. It literally binds the universe together. You don't know what this would do to it. [Edited on 10.14.2012 8:26 PM PDT]
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ftl mine at[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0t7LcPXMBo]3:20[/url] [Edited on 10.14.2012 8:26 PM PDT]
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Necromorphs
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 Now lets sit back and take a look at how stupid the droids are, assuming the rings are successful in killing all sentient life the automated systems of the pillar ships and the combined force of the sentinels could handle the situation. [/quote] Trade Fed droids aren't too intelligent, but some are very, and they often take commanding roles. Example, IG88, HK-47, etc. They go toe to toe with clones and other humans.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 ftl mine at[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0t7LcPXMBo]3:20[/url] [/quote]Uhh, thats a Slipspace bomb...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Covenant Carrier [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 ftl mine at[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0t7LcPXMBo]3:20[/url] [/quote]Uhh, thats a Slipspace bomb...[/quote] sorry i called it an ftl bomb because it uses a faster than light drive my appologies
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Also there is a rather unfortunate typo in one of the books then, I'll have to go look up the page now but in written canon the super mac cannons are said to be far faster then the game states. [Edited on 10.14.2012 8:32 PM PDT]
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Honestly dude, the Star Wars universe is just OP. Stories always try to one up another and they're nothing holding it back.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Covenant Carrier ...Yet its been proven that Forerunner ships are more powerful than Star Wars armadas.[/quote] Please, direct me to that post. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shadow 2648 they also think that a star wars ship can take a hit from a supper mac and not take damage... Like i said. [/quote] Basic Star Destroyer shields can take a minumum of 6X10^19 joules as far as can be calculated, a super MAC delivers 2.16X10^20 joules. Quite possible that it would break the shielding. The standard MACs would be entirely useless. Anyway, to bring things to a close here, I'll re-illustrate why it is that the Haloverse will lose for you. First, choose which one of these universes you want to operate with: [quote]A) True Halo and Star Wars total universes: Everything to ever canonically exist in the respective universes is included in the battle.[/quote][quote]B) Latest representation of Halo and Star Wars universes: Everything which currently canonically exists at the latest chronological point in their universe.[/quote] If you choose A, then every Force user ever combines their power to rip the Halo fleets apart at the molecular level, create vast Force-lightning storms to destroy the fleets, create wormholes to swallow the fleets, use their own ships against them, or mind control the majority of them. All from a safe distance, simply sitting around in nice chairs. If you choose B, then the Halo troops have no Forerunner or Precursor, they have a recently decimated Covenant and UNSC, and no Flood to speak of. They then have to deal with the more powerful Star Wars forces knowing every action, every plan, every attack or defense they set up, before they even conceive of it. They will be playing a chess game with someone who can't just read their minds, but also see the future, and control many of their minds. The Halo universe holds every disadvantage, and will lose. That is ultimately the situation. There are two scenarios, in both of them Halo loses. That's it. There's nothing else to say, because it's all been said. There is nothing else to bring up, there are no new angles to play, this is the top of the pyramid for both sides. At present, Halo simply loses.
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Star Wars. They have the clone, stormtrooper, rebel, and droid (Droids are unlimited) army. The jedi/sith could saber throw/force from a distance. Star wars ships > Halo ships.
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Probably Halo. The Rings can be set on different settings, Planet, Solar System, Local Cluster, Galaxy. Plus the Flood would seriously -blam!- -blam!- up, and Precursor Tech can only be destroyed by a weapon that can destroy thought itself. And Energy shields wouldn't really matter, the Halos destroy the very idea of thought. [Edited on 10.14.2012 9:05 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheSpiderChief Pit Star Wars against Halo and Star Wars shall win. Halo Rings have nothing against assassin droids or Battle Droids and the Flood cannot infect them. Jedi and Sith can call on the Force against Elites and Spartans. The Death Star can blow up entire planets. Both Rebellion and Empire have shields on their ships, the UNSC doesn't. Need I continue?[/quote] Well technically the flood could infect them... but star wars wins, unless the flood spreads far enough before it gets noticed and gains access to star wars technology... Then there would be a major fight... but considering they're still busy with the UNSC/covenant. Star wars wins. Also this thread has been done many times before.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KaneXX12 It would not kill everything in the halo universe, because there are still AI's, monitors, sentinels, and everyone who went into a shield world, or outside the galaxy.[/quote] Then the Covenant would be dead, the UNSC would be dead (although that wouldn't really matter anyway) and the majority of the Forerunners (you guessed it) would be dead. That's half of the Haloverse already taken out. [quote] And may I ask how Sidious can create wormholes?[/quote] [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_storm_(wormhole)]Here ya go.[/url] If one force user can do that to an [i]entire[/i] fleet in the Star Wars verse, it's safe to say Halo is pretty screwed.
