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10/9/2012 4:31:13 AM
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Why didn't the UNSC ever use the Covie's weapons against them?
Why didn't they? Couldn't a team of Spartan-II's escorting some naval personnel board a Covie Battlecruiser and capture it then allow the naval personnel to take control of it? Rinse and repeat.
I mean we all know that UNSC ships are garbage when facing Covenant ships. So they should've just captured Covie ships to level the playing field.
Would've been pretty effective in my opinion.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tjal Ok... If you have read the books you would know that the pillar of autumn was refitted to board a cruiser with all the available spartan 2's. Capture the bridge before it self-destructed, get the nav data. Go to the home-planet, capture a so-called prophet (leader) and force a truce. Now... let me check this: they rebuild 1 single ship (fitted it with meters of titanium armor) AND put 30 spartan 2's inside it just to capture 1 cruiser. Yeah seems legit that they didn't try it before... they didn't try it because it was impossible.[/quote] No, they didn't try it before because the intelligence regarding prophets was relatively new - for many years, the UNSC believed only Unggoy and Kig-Yar were of the Covenant (that's been retconned slightly, but I still think the prophets were unheard of for a while.) As well as this, they'd never had an AI with the infiltration capabilities of Cortana before - as [i]Reach[/i] shows, she's been enhanced by Forerunner technology. The idea was for her to take over the Covenant network and disable any routines that would allow the crew to scuttle the ship. This is what she does with the [i]Ascendant Justice.[/i][/quote] I just stated the intention of the boarding. The reason they never captured a cruiser was because couldn't board or get to the bridge quick enough (spartans could) in time before they self-destructed. The prophets are kinda irrelevant to the capture-a-cruiser plan
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog as [i]Reach[/i] shows, she's been enhanced by Forerunner technology. [/quote]lolReach canon
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Covenant technology, including all weapons and armour systems, self destructs when you try to dissect it, rather violently I might add. The only way halsey managed to get a jackal shield for mjolnir is because it was a very ancient design.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog In [i]The Fall of Reach,[/i] it says whenever a Covenant ship's been boarded or about to be boarded, they've initiated a self-destruct and destroyed the ship. Ascendant Justice was a special case.[/quote] Don't forget the Bloodied Spirit.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tjal Ok... If you have read the books you would know that the pillar of autumn was refitted to board a cruiser with all the available spartan 2's. Capture the bridge before it self-destructed, get the nav data. Go to the home-planet, capture a so-called prophet (leader) and force a truce. Now... let me check this: they rebuild 1 single ship (fitted it with meters of titanium armor) AND put 30 spartan 2's inside it just to capture 1 cruiser. Yeah seems legit that they didn't try it before... they didn't try it because it was impossible.[/quote] No, they didn't try it before because the intelligence regarding prophets was relatively new - for many years, the UNSC believed only Unggoy and Kig-Yar were of the Covenant (that's been retconned slightly, but I still think the prophets were unheard of for a while.) As well as this, they'd never had an AI with the infiltration capabilities of Cortana before - as [i]Reach[/i] shows, she's been enhanced by Forerunner technology. The idea was for her to take over the Covenant network and disable any routines that would allow the crew to scuttle the ship. This is what she does with the [i]Ascendant Justice.[/i]
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They tried it. The Covenant always self destructed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tjal Ok... If you have read the books you would know that the pillar of autumn was refitted to board a cruiser with all the available spartan 2's. Capture the bridge before it self-destructed, get the nav data. Go to the home-planet, capture a so-called prophet (leader) and force a truce. Now... let me check this: they rebuild 1 single ship (fitted it with meters of titanium armor) AND put 30 spartan 2's inside it just to capture 1 cruiser. Yeah seems legit that they didn't try it before... they didn't try it because it was impossible. They were planning on capturing a cruiser, they just never had the means to do it (PoA could sustain extreme structural damage before falling apart and spartans could get to the bridge before well... dying) Ohw and of course the entire plan failed when reach got attacked.[/quote]You mean Operation REDFLAG? Wasn't REDFLAG meant to like capture a Prophet by boarding the ship? A ship with a Prophet would have LOADS of protection. I don't think it was a very good plan. Very, VERY, risky. [Edited on 10.09.2012 6:31 PM PDT]
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Ok... If you have read the books you would know that the pillar of autumn was refitted to board a cruiser with all the available spartan 2's. Capture the bridge before it self-destructed, get the nav data. Go to the home-planet, capture a so-called prophet (leader) and force a truce. Now... let me check this: they rebuild 1 single ship (fitted it with meters of titanium armor) AND put 30 spartan 2's inside it just to capture 1 cruiser. Yeah seems legit that they didn't try it before... they didn't try it because it was impossible. They were planning on capturing a cruiser, they just never had the means to do it (PoA could sustain extreme structural damage before falling apart and spartans could get to the bridge before well... dying) Ohw and ofcourse the entire plan failed when reach got attacked.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 1. The UNSC has been reverse engineering Covie tech. The most notable example is MJOLNIR derived from Jackal gauntlets. 2. Covie ships self-destruct in case of boarders. 3. Protocol is that Covie ships are never to be taken to colonies because there may be trackers on them the UNSC doesn't know about. 4. Getting to the ships are hard in the first place because of their massive superiority in naval combat. [/quote] Indeed. As far as I know, ALL Covenant weaponry is contraband and not to be appropriated by UNSC personnel. Emile has a penchant for gathering spoils from Covenant he kills, and this nearly got him in serious trouble - Colonel Holland didn't report it because he believed the regulation should only apply to Navy, not Army. But yeah, bringing Covenant weaponry/equipment to a location not discovered by the Covenant is a no-go. [/quote] For good reason, too! A significant part of Cole Protocol revolves around the Covies intentional giving humans their tech after they hid tracers on it. The Innies spread the tech to some colonies and the Covenant follow the trail.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog In [i]The Fall of Reach,[/i] it says whenever a Covenant ship's been boarded or about to be boarded, they've initiated a self-destruct and destroyed the ship. Ascendant Justice was a special case.[/quote] ...that's pretty much /thread, folks.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 1. The UNSC has been reverse engineering Covie tech. The most notable example is MJOLNIR derived from Jackal gauntlets. 2. Covie ships self-destruct in case of boarders. 3. Protocol is that Covie ships are never to be taken to colonies because there may be trackers on them the UNSC doesn't know about. 4. Getting to the ships are hard in the first place because of their massive superiority in naval combat. [/quote] Indeed. As far as I know, ALL Covenant weaponry is contraband and not to be appropriated by UNSC personnel. Emile has a penchant for gathering spoils from Covenant he kills, and this nearly got him in serious trouble - Colonel Holland didn't report it because he believed the regulation should only apply to Navy, not Army. But yeah, bringing Covenant weaponry/equipment to a location not discovered by the Covenant is a no-go.
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1. The UNSC has been reverse engineering Covie tech. The most notable example is MJOLNIR derived from Jackal gauntlets. 2. Covie ships self-destruct in case of boarders. 3. Protocol is that Covie ships are never to be taken to colonies because there may be trackers on them the UNSC doesn't know about. 4. Getting to the ships are hard in the first place because of their massive superiority in naval combat.
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I'm sure they tried, but [i]you[/i] try learning how to use more advanced alien weaponry in just a few years' time.
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Nvm [Edited on 10.09.2012 12:33 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgingWhite Fire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] squad war I agree with him. But you can disable the self destruct on the control board in the bridge. ][/quote] Their bridge is in the center of the ship. [/quote] Which seems to be to be a bad place ot be on an exploding ship is in the middle [/quote] 1. Human ships had their pilot at the front so there was a big danger about data falling into enemy hands. (Thus the Cole protocol.) 2. They are going to be well fortified in there against enemy attacks, since they are in the center. 3. You have to travel all that distance once inside anyways. 4. They wanted to explode in the first place. [/quote] Exactly, if they are in the center, personally i would NOT want to be in the center of something that is exploding.Covenant might like me to be but im not a fan of being killed by explosions
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OdorousLicense3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari oh and Spartans don't go grow on trees[/quote]Spartan-III's do.[/quote]And IV's. I'm betting they're gonna be redshirts. =P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari oh and Spartans don't go grow on trees[/quote]Spartan-III's do.
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It would be too effective, therefore impossible.
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Ye because a frigate can just go next to a cruiser and say "sup my home boys are just going to board your ass" instead it would get owned within 10 seconds of being within weapon range. Anything smaller and you won't have the numbers to take the ship. Unless you have Spartans, but if they can't guarantee the capture of a ship. oh and Spartans don't go grow on trees [Edited on 10.09.2012 9:12 AM PDT]
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They were hard to reverse engineer. The Needler is impossible to reverse engineer according to Halsey, and they don't know how to charge plasma weapons. Covenant ships are also near impossible to capture. [Edited on 10.09.2012 7:15 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgingWhite Fire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] squad war I agree with him. But you can disable the self destruct on the control board in the bridge. ][/quote] Their bridge is in the center of the ship. [/quote] Which seems to be to be a bad place ot be on an exploding ship is in the middle [/quote] 1. Human ships had their pilot at the front so there was a big danger about data falling into enemy hands. (Thus the Cole protocol.) 2. They are going to be well fortified in there against enemy attacks, since they are in the center. 3. You have to travel all that distance once inside anyways. 4. They wanted to explode in the first place.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] squad war I agree with him. But you can disable the self destruct on the control board in the bridge. ][/quote] Their bridge is in the center of the ship. [/quote] Which seems to be to be a bad place ot be on an exploding ship is in the middle
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] squad war I agree with him. But you can disable the self destruct on the control board in the bridge. ][/quote] Their bridge is in the center of the ship.
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I agree with him. But you can disable the self destruct on the control board in the bridge. ]
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In [i]The Fall of Reach,[/i] it says whenever a Covenant ship's been boarded or about to be boarded, they've initiated a self-destruct and destroyed the ship. Ascendant Justice was a special case.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DFA Zandric1 I would guess they would self destruct before they let that happen.[/quote] i think it was mainly this.I remember in a book (don't remember which one) that whenever a covenant ship was disabled and able to be boarded they self destructed.
