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10/6/2012 7:30:21 AM
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Support the Troops, not the War.
....can anybody bother explaining this to me?
What I am fixing to say might be controversial.
I do not support any type of war, thus how exactly can I support troops? In the military they break down your individuality and mold you to become one of them, ending your critical thinking and brainwashing you to whatever they need you to be, to fight in some pointless war that makes no sense. Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people?
I have respect for people in the military, I mean it's not easy choosing a career like that, and no doubt the conditions are tough and you could put your life at risk. I feel sad when I see soldiers funerals and stuff.
I just simply...don't support what they do, at all. I do not support the war, and they are contributing to it, therefore I do not support them.
Living in south texas this opinion is obviously very frowned upon. Just wondering if some of you see my point?
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It means that you should respect the people who are fighting a war that they didn't start, and aren't there killing people out of choice (They signed up to protect their country) But Don't respect the politicians who start a war, for whatever reason, despite never having experienced that hell. If you have a leader that has been to war then the chances are he'll never go to war unnecessarily, because he wont put his troops through it for something petty like money, but when theres a real reason to go to war, when diplomacy and appeasement don't work these leaders, who were once soldiers know they have to do it (Which is why Winston Chuchill was against, Neville Chamberlane's Appeasment policy for hitler, if we took him out early, WWII would never have happened)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 ? In the military they break down your individuality and mold you to become one of them, ending your critical thinking and brainwashing you to whatever they need you to be, to fight in some pointless war that makes no sense. Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people? [/quote] Completely idiotic and wrong statement. [/quote]Yea, it's statements like that that really piss me off, especially since I was in the Army. I came out with my morals and my critical thinking intact. OP, I came in this thread expecting something supportive, not this garbage. You should be ashamed of yourself. Supporting the troops, not the war means hoping our service men and women come home safely. Any human being should feel that way. If you can't at least hope for our people to come home safe, then you are no better than those wretches at the Westboro Baptist Church.
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It means "I love the troops, but not the war they're fighting in." I agree with that. I love our boys. I don't see the point of being in Afghanistan, it's a waste of American lives. Afghanistan can't even hurt us. Are thousands of American soldiers worth democracy in a country which doesn't even matter to most of us? It doesn't seem rational to me. We should just pull out of that entire region, pull out all of our embassies and just get the heck out of there.
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Yes, it can...I know another applicant who is waiting to meet a shrink due to ADHD..it's been just over a month since he started his processing...Thread is posted. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 Yeah i know, my recruiter said that it sucked though. Medical consults can take anywhere from a week to months. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus They're making sure you're in good enough shape to perform your duties...They're just being thorough...here, I'll post my old thread about Military Entrance again, stand by. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 U.S. Army, active duty, waiting on my medical consult for my ears. (They couldn't see my ear drum) which really sucks because its so trivial. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7[/quote]What branch and what stage of your processing are you in? [/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
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Yeah i know, my recruiter said that it sucked though. Medical consults can take anywhere from a week to months. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus They're making sure you're in good enough shape to perform your duties...They're just being thorough...here, I'll post my old thread about Military Entrance again, stand by. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 U.S. Army, active duty, waiting on my medical consult for my ears. (They couldn't see my ear drum) which really sucks because its so trivial. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7[/quote]What branch and what stage of your processing are you in? [/quote][/quote][/quote]
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They're making sure you're in good enough shape to perform your duties...They're just being thorough...here, I'll post my old thread about Military Entrance again, stand by. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 U.S. Army, active duty, waiting on my medical consult for my ears. (They couldn't see my ear drum) which really sucks because its so trivial. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7[/quote]What branch and what stage of your processing are you in? [/quote][/quote]
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U.S. Army, active duty, waiting on my medical consult for my ears. (They couldn't see my ear drum) which really sucks because its so trivial. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7[/quote]What branch and what stage of your processing are you in? [/quote] [Edited on 10.06.2012 12:02 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7[/quote]What branch and what stage of your processing are you in?
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I haven't quite finished my MEPS physical but i am almost done. They haven't been to skeptical of it, but im sure like you said it should be at the swear in. He shouldn't do any of this, its a disgrace. [b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus Obviously though if he maintains the state of mind he has now it'll get picked up before he swears in and they'll stop it. The people at MEPCOM are really hard to fool regarding your motives to enlist. I'm just saying that if he does change his mind there are some options available. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 Thats not what i meant, if he doesn't support the military, he shouldn't be in it. He just wants education money. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus That honestly depends on the state since most kids out of high school here turn to the Guard for their futures..He doesn't even have to pick an infantry job, if he's good with computers just get an IT job or good with trucks and go 88M as a truck driver it's just like a normal job. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 If that's all he wants, he shouldn't join. They don't want people like him around. They should be dedicated. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 I would sign up purely for the educational benefits. People ask me all the time about signing up with them, and I have to explain it all the time how I don't support it, therefore it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to join, lol.[/quote]National Guard might be better for you, you remain a civilian and still get the educational payouts.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
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Obviously though if he maintains the state of mind he has now it'll get picked up before he swears in and they'll stop it. The people at MEPCOM are really hard to fool regarding your motives to enlist. I'm just saying that if he does change his mind there are some options available. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 Thats not what i meant, if he doesn't support the military, he shouldn't be in it. He just wants education money. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus That honestly depends on the state since most kids out of high school here turn to the Guard for their futures..He doesn't even have to pick an infantry job, if he's good with computers just get an IT job or good with trucks and go 88M as a truck driver it's just like a normal job. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 If that's all he wants, he shouldn't join. They don't want people like him around. They should be dedicated. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 I would sign up purely for the educational benefits. People ask me all the time about signing up with them, and I have to explain it all the time how I don't support it, therefore it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to join, lol.[/quote]National Guard might be better for you, you remain a civilian and still get the educational payouts.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
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Thats not what i meant, if he doesn't support the military, he shouldn't be in it. He just wants education money. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus That honestly depends on the state since most kids out of high school here turn to the Guard for their futures..He doesn't even have to pick an infantry job, if he's good with computers just get an IT job or good with trucks and go 88M as a truck driver it's just like a normal job. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 If that's all he wants, he shouldn't join. They don't want people like him around. They should be dedicated. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 I would sign up purely for the educational benefits. People ask me all the time about signing up with them, and I have to explain it all the time how I don't support it, therefore it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to join, lol.[/quote]National Guard might be better for you, you remain a civilian and still get the educational payouts.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
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That honestly depends on the state since most kids out of high school here turn to the Guard for their futures..He doesn't even have to pick an infantry job, if he's good with computers just get an IT job or good with trucks and go 88M as a truck driver it's just like a normal job. Obviously though if he maintains the state of mind he has now it'll get picked up before he swears in and they'll stop it. The people at MEPCOM are really hard to fool regarding your motives to enlist. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 If that's all he wants, he shouldn't join. They don't want people like him around. They should be dedicated. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 I would sign up purely for the educational benefits. People ask me all the time about signing up with them, and I have to explain it all the time how I don't support it, therefore it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to join, lol.[/quote]National Guard might be better for you, you remain a civilian and still get the educational payouts.[/quote][/quote] [Edited on 10.05.2012 11:56 PM PDT]
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If that's all he wants, he shouldn't join. They don't want people like him around. They should be dedicated. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grimaldus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 I would sign up purely for the educational benefits. People ask me all the time about signing up with them, and I have to explain it all the time how I don't support it, therefore it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to join, lol.[/quote]National Guard might be better for you, you remain a civilian and still get the educational payouts.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 I would sign up purely for the educational benefits. People ask me all the time about signing up with them, and I have to explain it all the time how I don't support it, therefore it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to join, lol.[/quote]National Guard might be better for you, you remain a civilian and still get the educational payouts.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Carthurlane [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Carthurlane [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 ? In the military they break down your individuality and mold you to become one of them, ending your critical thinking and brainwashing you to whatever they need you to be, to fight in some pointless war that makes no sense. Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people? [/quote] Completely idiotic and wrong statement. [/quote] I agree... but I think in a certain context this statement can be true, but overall I would imagine it would encourage independence and further evolve one's leadership skills. [quote]Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people?[/quote] Be careful what you say... I'm a marine vet trained in armed combat... I can scope you out from [whatever that meme says][/quote] And I am the king of scotland. But seriously, I mean I respect your role as a marine and stuff, along with anybody else in the military, but why do I have to "Support the Troops" I don't like war, and you guys are right in the middle of one, you made the choice to join and sign up, I disagree with it. Therefore I do not support you.[/quote]I was kidding... however, I actually would like to sign up and enlist in war. I was part of a collegiate ROTC program, and if you like boyscouts and hanging out with a handful of buds, well... you should probably go camping. But seriously... I wouldn't mind joining, even though I disagree with the war in almost any conceivable case... I would be there to help keep us alive and watch for each other's backs.[/quote] I would sign up purely for the educational benefits. People ask me all the time about signing up with them, and I have to explain it all the time how I don't support it, therefore it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to join, lol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Carthurlane [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Carthurlane [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 ? In the military they break down your individuality and mold you to become one of them, ending your critical thinking and brainwashing you to whatever they need you to be, to fight in some pointless war that makes no sense. Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people? [/quote] Completely idiotic and wrong statement. [/quote] I agree... but I think in a certain context this statement can be true, but overall I would imagine it would encourage independence and further evolve one's leadership skills. [quote]Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people?[/quote] Be careful what you say... I'm a marine vet trained in armed combat... I can scope you out from [whatever that meme says][/quote] And I am the king of scotland. But seriously, I mean I respect your role as a marine and stuff, along with anybody else in the military, but why do I have to "Support the Troops" I don't like war, and you guys are right in the middle of one, you made the choice to join and sign up, I disagree with it. Therefore I do not support you.[/quote]I was kidding... however, I actually would like to sign up and enlist in war. I was part of a collegiate ROTC program, and if you like boyscouts and hanging out with a handful of buds, well... you should probably go camping. But seriously... I wouldn't mind joining, even though I disagree with the war in almost any conceivable case... [b]I would be there to help keep us alive and watch for each other's backs[/b].[/quote]BINGO!!!!!!!!! It ain't about going over and shoving 55 grains of -blam!- you in someone's head, it's about going there and supporting each other so the body count stays low....if any at all. Defend your team and yourself first. Keep that mentality and you'll be fine, if you do join the Marines be aware that they will try to make you as thick skinned as possible....it's required since obviously Marines see the harshest parts of combat and they don't want people freezing up on them. [Edited on 10.05.2012 11:48 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SHOTTY SNIP3R After watching [url=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g]this[/url] it has changed how I feel about the troops in Afghanistan. When he got shot it was like I could feel his fear and that doesn't come to me often.[/quote] Yeah, stuff like that is crazy to watch. I saw one where a group got ambushed. Was crazy everything that was happening.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Carthurlane [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 ? In the military they break down your individuality and mold you to become one of them, ending your critical thinking and brainwashing you to whatever they need you to be, to fight in some pointless war that makes no sense. Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people? [/quote] Completely idiotic and wrong statement. [/quote] I agree... but I think in a certain context this statement can be true, but overall I would imagine it would encourage independence and further evolve one's leadership skills. [quote]Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people?[/quote] Be careful what you say... I'm a marine vet trained in armed combat... I can scope you out from [whatever that meme says][/quote] And I am the king of scotland. But seriously, I mean I respect your role as a marine and stuff, along with anybody else in the military, but why do I have to "Support the Troops" I don't like war, and you guys are right in the middle of one, you made the choice to join and sign up, I disagree with it. Therefore I do not support you.[/quote]I was kidding... however, I actually would like to sign up and enlist in war. I was part of a collegiate ROTC program, and if you like boyscouts and hanging out with a handful of buds, well... you should probably go camping. But seriously... I wouldn't mind joining, even though I disagree with the war in almost any conceivable case... I would be there to help keep us alive and watch for each other's backs.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 But seriously, I mean I respect your role as a marine and stuff, along with anybody else in the military, but why do I have to "Support the Troops" I don't like war, and you guys are right in the middle of one, you made the choice to join and sign up, I disagree with it. Therefore I do not support you.[/quote] Not every military man and woman joined when these wars were started, remember that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 Then keep your mouth shut. Your posts are full of contradictions. You don't understand anything about the military. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 And here is another thought because someone is bound to say it "If you don't stand behind us, then gladly stand in front of us" Why does America still act like the Ruskies could invade at any given moment? I seriously doubt ANY country has the manpower or willpower to even come within 100 miles of our borders before we blasted them to hell. And don't misunderstand me, if we were invaded or aliens attack or something, sure lets blast them to hell. I'm just tired of blindly following something and not being allowed to ask "Why?" like "Why support our troops?" Yes you're a solider I get that, yes you spend a long time away from home and could possibly die, I get that. It doesn't mean I have to support the choice you made.[/quote][/quote] -blam!- off.
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They need to be shot for you to care about them? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SHOTTY SNIP3R After watching [url=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g]this[/url] it has changed how I feel about the troops in Afghanistan. When he got shot it was like I could feel his fear and that doesn't come to me often.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 And here is another thought because someone is bound to say it [b]"If you don't stand behind us, then gladly stand in front of us"[/b] Why does America still act like the Ruskies could invade at any given moment? I seriously doubt ANY country has the manpower or willpower to even come within 100 miles of our borders before we blasted them to hell. And don't misunderstand me, if we were invaded or aliens attack or something, sure lets blast them to hell. I'm just tired of blindly following something and not being allowed to ask "Why?" like "Why support our troops?" Yes you're a solider I get that, yes you spend a long time away from home and could possibly die, I get that. It doesn't mean I have to support the choice you made.[/quote]Ah, this one's easy...if anyone ever uses that phrase just ignore everything they have to say beyond that point...they're just full of hot air and don't know how to properly express opinions.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 So...your sad at soldiers funerals yet you don't support them... You think they don't have there own thoughts and there mindless drones... Yeah please just go away. You'r an idiot. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Carthurlane [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Raptorx7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 ? In the military they break down your individuality and mold you to become one of them, ending your critical thinking and brainwashing you to whatever they need you to be, to fight in some pointless war that makes no sense. Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people? [/quote] Completely idiotic and wrong statement. [/quote] I agree... but I think in a certain context this statement can be true, but overall I would imagine it would encourage independence and further evolve one's leadership skills. [quote]Why would I support the brainless indoctrination of thousands of people?[/quote] Be careful what you say... I'm a marine vet trained in armed combat... I can scope you out from [whatever that meme says][/quote] And I am the king of scotland. But seriously, I mean I respect your role as a marine and stuff, along with anybody else in the military, but why do I have to "Support the Troops" I don't like war, and you guys are right in the middle of one, you made the choice to join and sign up, I disagree with it. Therefore I do not support you.[/quote][/quote] See I knew this would happen. Nobody has any counter-argument so they just call me "Stoopidz" and leave. Of course I'm sad when a solider dies, do you not get sad when people die? You're honestly just picking an argument out of a blender.
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After watching [url=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g]this[/url] it has changed how I feel about the troops in Afghanistan. When he got shot it was like I could feel his fear and that doesn't come to me often. It was like that feeling when that rock becomes your best friend and any one of those gunshot sounds could be the one that kills you. [Edited on 10.05.2012 11:50 PM PDT]
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Then keep your mouth shut. Your posts are full of contradictions. You don't understand anything about the military. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaBatman92 And here is another thought because someone is bound to say it "If you don't stand behind us, then gladly stand in front of us" Why does America still act like the Ruskies could invade at any given moment? I seriously doubt ANY country has the manpower or willpower to even come within 100 miles of our borders before we blasted them to hell. And don't misunderstand me, if we were invaded or aliens attack or something, sure lets blast them to hell. I'm just tired of blindly following something and not being allowed to ask "Why?" like "Why support our troops?" Yes you're a solider I get that, yes you spend a long time away from home and could possibly die, I get that. It doesn't mean I have to support the choice you made.[/quote]
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And here is another thought because someone is bound to say it "If you don't stand behind us, then gladly stand in front of us" Why does America still act like the Ruskies could invade at any given moment? I seriously doubt ANY country has the manpower or willpower to even come within 100 miles of our borders before we blasted them to hell. And don't misunderstand me, if we were invaded or aliens attack or something, sure lets blast them to hell. I'm just tired of blindly following something and not being allowed to ask "Why?" like "Why support our troops?" Yes you're a solider I get that, yes you spend a long time away from home and could possibly die, I get that. It doesn't mean I have to support the choice you made.
