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10/3/2012 2:40:46 PM
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Halo 4 is Halo Reach (rant)
If you hated/dislsiked Halo Reach, what the hell is going to make you like Halo 4? Halo 4 basically has everything bad that Halo Reach has and more.
Armor abilities [i]again[/i]? instant, but -blam!- and useless camp promoting camouflage? X-RAY vision? WTF? May as well just tear down all the walls in every map. And the only thing a jetpack does for you is gets you killed faster. In stead of being in view of 1 player, let the whole team see you: great!
Well if you guys enjoy sprinting on command, whatever.
SO much focus on the little dumb things nowadays. Infection gametypes is like the new MLG; there is so much emphasis on this [i]sideshow[/i]. Don't we want quality arena competitive slayer? Don't we want games where map control and team work are essential factors in matches? I swear since the release of Reach everything's been a one man show, encouraging people to give others the middle finger when asked to play cooperatively. Oh and sprint is one of the factors contributing to that.
Again, this game is (like Reach) always focusing on how to boost your ego. Reach wanted to make you feel special with all of your little perks and armor abilities to help you play "the way you want." Not to mention all of the emphasis on cool shiny customizeable armors. It's been catering to kids, I swear. Halo 2 had it perfectly fine with just being able to change colors and species. Halo 3 had a limited set which was alright; back then Bungie didn't need to focus so much on trivial things like different visuals to keep their community entertained. [i]*cough competitive play cough*[/i]
And can someone tell me where in the hell the flood is coming from? Clearly I missed something because last I heard Cortana told us the flood was wiped out. Not to mention they look completely retarded now.
/endrant
for now
Edit: [b]A lot of people seem to defend armor abilities in that if they had been implemented differently, and/or had tweaks to them, they would have been a much more positive addition to the series' multiplayer aspect. I'd like an idea of these "changes" people keep refuting. [i]Convince the skeptics![/i][/b]
[Edited on 10.09.2012 5:48 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MrMassakka I agree with OP. If you hated Reach you should logically hate Halo 4, because it expands on what Reach did.[/quote] And if you hated Halo 2, you should logically hate Halo 3, right? This is not how logic works. You guys are assuming that Halo 4 is the exact same as Reach, when that simply is not true. You're also forcing the opinion that Reach and everything in it was bad, when that isn't the case either. Reach had good concepts that were not designed well, and that's partly because they were new to Halo. If 343 looked at their reception and data and made the necessary changes to fix and balance them, then there shouldn't be any problems. [Edited on 10.03.2012 7:54 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MrMassakka I agree with OP. If you hated Reach you should logically hate Halo 4, because it expands on what Reach did.[/quote] I hated Reach, but it's because of the maps, campaign levels and story. Which has nothing to do with Halo 4. So why should I hate it? [Edited on 10.03.2012 7:52 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MrMassakka I agree with OP. If you hated Reach you should logically hate Halo 4, because it expands on what Reach did.[/quote] Reach =/= H4 made by two separate companies 343i listened to the community's response and has made it so it works for them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] davadude Halo 2 had it perfectly fine yes, gigantuan hitboxes, 10000% aim-assist, horrible weapon balance, and such, but it's okay, it's not as customizable as Reach! That's literally what I just read...[/quote]
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I agree with OP. If you hated Reach you should logically hate Halo 4, because it expands on what Reach did.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XxMuNcHmOnKeYxX So... did you here about the classic playlists, derp? [/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre Yeah, I know it's slightly different to Reach's "Classic" playlist, but that one failed miserably, and I don't guess that many people will be playing this one either.[/quote][/quote] Maybe the reason why it failed was because Bungie didn't intend on the game getting a classic playlist. So they didn't make the game to handle one. At least with Halo 4 343 is able to build a game that is intended for one.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV The Mlg people that test it always say they like it. You know why? 343 pays them to say that. It happened with reach and it's happening with h4[/quote] [url=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__hspjzfC024/SauW8Oa2kQI/AAAAAAAABGg/V1eyIBAdjGc/s400/tinfoil-hat.jpg]It's a conspiracy then.[/url] I can't take people who say that seriously, because first of all, 343i doesn't handle money, Microsoft does, and secondly, you are essentially saying that the only person who can be right are people who agree with you. They like the game? They were obviously paid off. Hundreds of players who have gotten serious time with it have said that it feels every bit like Halo, and nothing like CoD, because the game retains its fundamental style as a fast paced twitch shooter. Did 343i pay all of those people off? I think it was Naded who said that the industry is changing, and MLG has to change with it or be left behind, something they cannot afford. Was he paid off too?
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Also, I picked up the Flood thingy. Nobody said the Flood was wiped out. It's still on isolated installations.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XxMuNcHmOnKeYxX So... did you here about the classic playlists, derp? [/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre Yeah, I know it's slightly different to Reach's "Classic" playlist, but that one failed miserably, and I don't guess that many people will be playing this one either.[/quote][/quote] I'm not going to read his -blam!- rant :/ Also, I never played Reach's classic playlist, because Reach wasn't as drawing as Halo 3 [Edited on 10.03.2012 7:36 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ben2974 If you hated/dislsiked Halo Reach, what the hell is going to make you like Halo 4? Halo 4 basically has everything bad that Halo Reach has and more. Armor abilities [i]again[/i]? instant, but -blam!- and useless camp promoting camouflage? X-RAY vision? WTF? May as well just tear down all the walls in every map. And the only thing a jetpack does for you is gets you killed faster. In stead of being in view of 1 player, let the whole team see you: great! Well if you guys enjoy sprinting on command, whatever. SO much focus on the little dumb things nowadays. Infection gametypes is like the new MLG; there is so much emphasis on this [i]sideshow[/i]. Don't we want quality arena competitive slayer? Don't we want games where map control and team work are essential factors in matches? I swear since the release of Reach everything's been a one man show, encouraging people to give others the middle finger when asked to play cooperatively. Oh and sprint is one of the factors contributing to that. Again, this game is (like Reach) always focusing on how to boost your ego. Reach wanted to make you feel special with all of your little perks and armor abilities to help you play "the way you want." Not to mention all of the emphasis on cool shiny customizeable armors. It's been catering to kids, I swear. Halo 2 had it perfectly fine with just being able to change colors and species. Halo 3 had a limited set which was alright; back then Bungie didn't need to focus so much on trivial things like different visuals to keep their community entertained. [i]*cough competitive play cough*[/i] And can someone tell me where in the hell the flood is coming from? Clearly I missed something because last I heard Cortana told us the flood was wiped out. Not to mention they look completely retarded now. /endrant for now[/quote] why are you acting like such a self-entitled asswipe? seriously if you don't like it don't get it, its kinda sad that people go out of there way to write this stuff when its just a game. its not like its going to change your life.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XxMuNcHmOnKeYxX So... did you here about the classic playlists, derp? [/quote][quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WyIdfyre Yeah, I know it's slightly different to Reach's "Classic" playlist, but that one failed miserably, and I don't guess that many people will be playing this one either.[/quote]
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So... did you here about the classic playlists, derp? [Edited on 10.03.2012 7:32 AM PDT]
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I like Reach, so what ever
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Just because the graphics are improved like reach, dosen't mean its just as bad. Lets look at the positive sides of h4, jump higher like halo 3 = more skill, br is back, and they're returning Valhalla as a playable map. If you played it, then you must have sucked at halo to begin with. Don't blame the franchise. Besides people want a new experience, new appearance, and gameplay to where halo was at their prime, don't like loadouts, play a different playlist. [Edited on 10.03.2012 7:40 AM PDT]
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Agree completely OP. Except the part about Infection. Bungie should've done that the moment Infection became popular.
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Halo 2 had it perfectly fine yes, gigantuan hitboxes, 10000% aim-assist, horrible weapon balance, and such, but it's okay, it's not as customizable as Reach! That's literally what I just read...
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Does it matter where the flood come from? It's non-canon multiplayer.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV Reach was good?[/quote] Reach was an example of what [i]not[/i] to do. It was a combination of seemingly good theoretical concepts built and designed in their absolute worst possible way imaginable. ODST did so many things different and they felt polished and well designed compared to Reach's.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seneka The 5th Halo: Reach = Bungie = Good Halo4 = 343i = Bad[/quote] Reach was good?
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Halo: Reach = Bungie = Good Halo4 = 343i = Bad
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh ^^So far as I can recall, they were skeptical about some of the changes, but said that they wanted to withold judgement until they've seen everything in the finalized version. All the other MLGers seemed to enjoy it quite a lot.[/quote]I feel like I should make a thread about this argument. Think about the bias anyone who is being paid to play Halo 4 early is going to have. They're obligated to like the game, and it means a lot more to me when someone isn't completely hyped about the game.
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The Mlg people that test it always say they like it. You know why? 343 pays them to say that. It happened with reach and it's happening with h4
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Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BuzzKill9009 Halo Reach's failure has nothing to do with Halo 4. Yes there are some Reach elements in H4 Yes Reach left a bad taste in people's mouth Yes Reach changed a lot of things The thing is that Halo 4 is reverting back to the H3 experience. What was wrong with Reach Multiplayer wise was the change (that had potential) was done poorly. Now, 343i has listened to the feedback and changed it to the people's liking's, I encourage you to try it (rent or try it with a friend who has it) first and see if it actually appeals to you. A lot of people who have tried it say that it feels like H3[/quote] I've played it. It feels nothing like h3. It feels like reach.[/quote] Then you are literally the only human being on earth who thinks this. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BuzzKill9009 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV I hate this forum so much. Not because of you op, but because of these stupid replies. You are 100% correct and these halo fanboys don't want to hear it. [/quote] or we're being optimistic about the game and we're going to try it? besides i'm more interested in campaign than multiplayer [/quote] He who calls people fanboys, is in fact a fanboy.[/quote] You are right. I do love halo. But I don't let that love for halo blind me when I see a terrible game coming out. It's halo reach 2 and if you can't see that you are retarded.[/quote] By fanboy I mean hater, which is a reverse fanboy. There are elements in Halo 4 that I'm iffy about, but overall it's a game I can tell I'll have fun with, especially considering I understand why they made the changes they made. But seriously, provoking people by calling them fanboys? Calling them retarded? Generalizing an entire game's quality to be the (conveniently) opposite of majority opinion? All red flags for hater, or a troll. ^^So far as I can recall, they were skeptical about some of the changes, but said that they wanted to withold judgement until they've seen everything in the finalized version. All the other MLGers seemed to enjoy it quite a lot. [Edited on 10.03.2012 7:12 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BuzzKill9009 Halo Reach's failure has nothing to do with Halo 4. Yes there are some Reach elements in H4 Yes Reach left a bad taste in people's mouth Yes Reach changed a lot of things The thing is that Halo 4 is reverting back to the H3 experience. What was wrong with Reach Multiplayer wise was the change (that had potential) was done poorly. Now, 343i has listened to the feedback and changed it to the people's liking's, I encourage you to try it (rent or try it with a friend who has it) first and see if it actually appeals to you. A lot of people who have tried it say that it feels like H3[/quote] I've played it. It feels nothing like h3. It feels like reach.[/quote] Then you are literally the only human being on earth who thinks this.[/quote]What about those two MLG pros (Neighbor and... Elamite?) who weren't very impressed by what they played?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BuzzKill9009 Halo Reach's failure has nothing to do with Halo 4. Yes there are some Reach elements in H4 Yes Reach left a bad taste in people's mouth Yes Reach changed a lot of things The thing is that Halo 4 is reverting back to the H3 experience. What was wrong with Reach Multiplayer wise was the change (that had potential) was done poorly. Now, 343i has listened to the feedback and changed it to the people's liking's, I encourage you to try it (rent or try it with a friend who has it) first and see if it actually appeals to you. A lot of people who have tried it say that it feels like H3[/quote] I've played it. It feels nothing like h3. It feels like reach.[/quote] Then you are literally the only human being on earth who thinks this. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BuzzKill9009 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV I hate this forum so much. Not because of you op, but because of these stupid replies. You are 100% correct and these halo fanboys don't want to hear it. [/quote] or we're being optimistic about the game and we're going to try it? besides i'm more interested in campaign than multiplayer [/quote] He who calls people fanboys, is in fact a fanboy.[/quote] You are right. I do love halo. But I don't let that love for halo blind me when I see a terrible game coming out. It's halo reach 2 and if you can't see that you are retarded.
