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9/22/2012 5:57:11 PM
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So Halo 4 is going to have Killcams ALA Call of Duty now.
Yeah....
I wish Bungie didn't leave. Now 343i is trying to pander to the Call of Duty demographic.
So, thoughts?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 and hardly affects gameplay.[/quote] Not for whoever is sniping in Dominion from a fixed position. [/quote] Sniping at a fixed position in a game where the primary focus is constant movement amongst the bases, where most of the combat is IN the bases, which have shield doors. Seems legit. That would be more kill whoring than playing the objective. And even then, previous games in the series pointed your death cam in the direction of your killer anyway. Standing still in Halo is borderline suicide, barring a few very rare occurences. And what's more, Dominion has alot vehicle combat and even automated turrets. Good luck surviving that Banshee. Besides, do we even know if the sniper is even in Dominion? [Edited on 09.23.2012 7:29 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 and hardly affects gameplay.[/quote] Not for whoever is sniping in Dominion from a fixed position. [/quote] Shouldn't be camping with the sniper then, killcams encourage map movement to keep you on your toes. A player should never feel too comfortable in one place.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Uh no, it doesn't disrupt the flow of the game any more than what we have now where you're staring at your dead body for 5+ seconds while waiting to respawn. Again? What, you watch your death before you die or something? There is no "again", your health gives out and you see your character drop, that's it, a killcam is showing [i]how[/i] exactly the enemy went about killing you from his perspective. Oh know, I made a small typo and spelled it "Dute" instead of "Duty" the horror :O I'm so horrible, you should all kill me right now...seriously, dude? -.- I really think you need to work on your priorities mate...[/quote] - It does disrupt the flow. It would be better to show teammates over the shoulder, [i][b]as i already said before[/b][/i]. - You don't watch your death before you die. I never said that. Learn to read. - I don't need to see [i][b]his perspective of killing me[/b][/i]. For things like that, there is [b]Theater Mode[/b]. Try it out. - You're not horrible. "We all" shouldn't kill you. It wasn't my priority to check you on proper spelling. I just wondered whether you might be young or drunk. If you take that as an insult, it's not my problem. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 OP You are absolutely right, don't fret. However, you are within the midst of the biggest hive of fanboys that are incapable of seeing the damage being done to their cherished franchise. With every bit of info released about Halo 4, the worse it looks. But I've come to an uneasy peace with it by now.[/quote] Wow. That's sad. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Habah I'm not spending my money on Halo 4 because It is turning out to be like CoD, IMO. My friend is buying it for me so I won't have to worry about wasting money. [/quote] Sounds like a good plan. Though, won't you still be wasting your time then? Lol [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 and hardly affects gameplay.[/quote] Not for whoever is sniping in Dominion from a fixed position. [/quote] You sir, are a genius.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 and hardly affects gameplay.[/quote] Not for whoever is sniping in Dominion from a fixed position.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MidniteNinja910 Oh my bad. See, cause I haven't ever seen another game that showed a 5 second replay of your death through the killers eyes. Please good sir, point me to a game that had this before 2007. And BTW, 343i hasn't said if they are only in Dominion or not. If they have, go ahead and prove me wrong. [/quote] Counter Strike? Unreal Tournament? Whether they were mods doesn't matter, still pre-CoD. When you can give me one example of something original CoD did, then you can argue.
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Only for certain playlists. This game can't be any worse than Halo Reach...but we'll see. [Edited on 09.22.2012 11:26 PM PDT]
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I'm not spending my money on Halo 4 because It is turning out to be like CoD, IMO. My friend is buying it for me so I won't have to worry about wasting money.
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OP You are absolutely right, don't fret. However, you are within the midst of the biggest hive of fanboys that are incapable of seeing the damage being done to their cherished franchise. With every bit of info released about Halo 4, the worse it looks. But I've come to an uneasy peace with it by now.
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Oh goddess... This has been argued [i]to death[/i] in the Flood already. It's in one playlist. Get over it. If that ruins your entire impression of the game, then I'm glad there's not a chance of running into you in MM.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] realdomdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa That's one of the few things I really like about Call of Dute, getting to see the kill that won the game, it's always a fun one to watch whether I made the winning kill or was the winning kill or not. There's nothing wrong with kill cams, Halo petty much already has one anyway, when you die your screen pretty much orients on to and slightly follows the player who killed you...switching it up to seeing their perspective when they made the kill is irrelevant to the game as a whole.[/quote] - It disrupts the flow. - It makes you [i]see your death again[/i] (which is pointless BTW). [i]"[...] switching it up to seeing their perspective when they made the kill is irrelevant to the game as a whole."[/i] As Sgt. Johnson would put it, [b]it's the little things[/b]. And, [i]"Call of Dute"[/i]? Seriously? Are you as old as i think you are?[/quote] Uh no, it doesn't disrupt the flow of the game any more than what we have now where you're staring at your dead body for 5+ seconds while waiting to respawn. Again? What, you watch your death before you die or something? There is no "again", your health gives out and you see your character drop, that's it, a killcam is showing [i]how[/i] exactly the enemy went about killing you from his perspective. Oh know, I made a small typo and spelled it "Dute" instead of "Duty" the horror :O I'm so horrible, you should all kill me right now...seriously, dude? -.- I really think you need to work on your priorities mate...[/quote] Besides, the one gameplay clip I remember seeing with it had the same option of CoD... "Respawn instantly, or watch the scene."
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] realdomdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa That's one of the few things I really like about Call of Dute, getting to see the kill that won the game, it's always a fun one to watch whether I made the winning kill or was the winning kill or not. There's nothing wrong with kill cams, Halo petty much already has one anyway, when you die your screen pretty much orients on to and slightly follows the player who killed you...switching it up to seeing their perspective when they made the kill is irrelevant to the game as a whole.[/quote] - It disrupts the flow. - It makes you [i]see your death again[/i] (which is pointless BTW). [i]"[...] switching it up to seeing their perspective when they made the kill is irrelevant to the game as a whole."[/i] As Sgt. Johnson would put it, [b]it's the little things[/b]. And, [i]"Call of Dute"[/i]? Seriously? Are you as old as i think you are?[/quote] Uh no, it doesn't disrupt the flow of the game any more than what we have now where you're staring at your dead body for 5+ seconds while waiting to respawn. Again? What, you watch your death before you die or something? There is no "again", your health gives out and you see your character drop, that's it, a killcam is showing [i]how[/i] exactly the enemy went about killing you from his perspective. Oh know, I made a small typo and spelled it "Dute" instead of "Duty" the horror :O I'm so horrible, you should all kill me right now...seriously, dude? -.- I really think you need to work on your priorities mate...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] realdomdom And, [i]"Call of Dute"[/i]? Seriously? Are you as old as i think you are? [/quote] Like, OMG, A TYPO! END OF THE -blam!- WORLD!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa That's one of the few things I really like about Call of Dute, getting to see the kill that won the game, it's always a fun one to watch whether I made the winning kill or was the winning kill or not. There's nothing wrong with kill cams, Halo petty much already has one anyway, when you die your screen pretty much orients on to and slightly follows the player who killed you...switching it up to seeing their perspective when they made the kill is irrelevant to the game as a whole.[/quote] - It disrupts the flow. - It makes you [i]see your death again[/i] (which is pointless BTW). [i]"[...] switching it up to seeing their perspective when they made the kill is irrelevant to the game as a whole."[/i] As Sgt. Johnson would put it, [b]it's the little things[/b]. And, [i]"Call of Dute"[/i]? Seriously? Are you as old as i think you are? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam Halo should have kill cams from the start. So many awesome things go unnoticed. [/quote] There is a feature in Halo called [i]"Theater Mode"[/i]. Ever heard of that?
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Halo should have kill cams from the start. So many awesome things go unnoticed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] realdomdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DFA Zandric1 [i][...][/i] Game winning kill cams are even better. Glorifies those last second sticks and such to another level. [i][...][/i][/quote] I won't have any of that, good sir. If you won, you [b][i]know[/i][/b] that you won. There's no need for building up unsolicited rage from the losing team/players.[/quote] That's one of the few things I really like about Call of Dute, getting to see the kill that won the game, it's always a fun one to watch whether I made the winning kill or was the winning kill or not. There's nothing wrong with kill cams, Halo petty much already has one anyway, when you die your screen pretty much orients on to and slightly follows the player who killed you...switching it up to seeing their perspective when they made the kill is irrelevant to the game as a whole.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 . . . it's emulating a feature which has been the norm for the FPS genere . . .[/quote] Not quite. Some FPS games do make use of it, but it is hardly the norm. Killcams (when considered as a unique feature, rather than a spectator mode) are a relatively recent addition to the genre. The majority of games that make use of this feature contain strong multi-player components (though some variation does occur, see Fallout 3 and New Vegas). To say the killcam is [i]de rigueur[/i] to FPS design is incorrect, though it has seen broader implementation as of late. [quote]I think you're an overreacting fool.[/quote] Oh, personal attacks. Always cool. Aren't we going for the forums being an environment where people can share their thoughts, instead of one where they are criticized for them? [quote]Halo 4/CoD[/quote] I think many people loose sight of the fact that games are entertainment. If people enjoy the game, and had fun playing it, then it is successful (regardless of what we individually think about them). Since the debate of "Are video games art?" was started, it seems that many have lost sight of the 'game' element of 'video games'. [Edited on 09.22.2012 3:24 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] razzat You're right op. Watching your body flail around after dying for a few seconds is so much more useful.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlackHeaven What is wrong with kill cams..? It's better than watching your body for 8 seconds as you wait to respawn. It's like people [i]want[/i] Halo 4 to be terrible.[/quote] Well, they could always show other people in your team from over the shoulder, while you're waiting. That would [b][i]actually be helpful[/i][/b].
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You're right op. Watching your body flail around after dying for a few seconds is so much more useful.
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What is wrong with kill cams..? It's better than watching your body for 8 seconds as you wait to respawn. It's like people [i]want[/i] Halo 4 to be terrible.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DFA Zandric1 [i][...][/i] Game winning kill cams are even better. Glorifies those last second sticks and such to another level. [i][...][/i][/quote] I won't have any of that, good sir. If you won, you [b][i]know[/i][/b] that you won. There's no need for building up unsolicited rage from the losing team/players.
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Killcams are fine by me. Game winning kill cams are even better. Glorifies those last second sticks and such to another level. The only thing wrong with cod is the shooting mechanics. Id say complaing about stuff like this is nit picking at its finest. If its all you have to worry about then your good.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron Meh. While it's cool to see what exactly killed you, I more often feel it kills an aspect of ambushes/snipers. You know, gets a glimpse of some random thing near the sniper point, then scopes in and kills. Bam, now that guy's sniping location is ka-put because the person he killed knows exactly where he's hanging out. But eh, never played CoD MP that much. Might be wrong in how much the above happens.[/quote] It's "kaputt" and yes, i'm quite concerned about killcams.
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Meh. While it's cool to see what exactly killed you, I more often feel it kills an aspect of ambushes/snipers. You know, gets a glimpse of some random thing near the sniper point, then scopes in and kills. Bam, now that guy's sniping location is ka-put because the person he killed knows exactly where he's hanging out. But eh, never played CoD MP that much. Might be wrong in how much the above happens.
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I disagree, this is something Halo has been missing. Oh and 343 said it would be in "some" gametypes but not all, so we don't know if it will be in SWAT or MLG for example. [Edited on 09.22.2012 1:13 PM PDT]
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Well, it was already clear for a long time, that Microsoft wants to see some CoD players switch to Halo or at least play it alongside CoD. Remember, Halo was published by Microsoft and CoD was published by whom? Yes. Activision. Think about it.
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Thoughts: 1. I like the Killcams. you don't have to watch them if you don't want to and having the option to clarify "WTF was that?" deaths is a good thing. 2. Wrong Forum.
