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Want to build a PC? PC Building Guide and FAQ of The Flood

[b][u][i]The Official Flood BC Builders Guide and FAQ[/i][/u][/b] [quote][/quote] [quote] This thread's main purpose is to help The Flood to understand how computers work and how to build one, hardware discussion and build questions are encouraged. However, please try to refrain from flaming other users simply because they want to get into PC Gaming, if that's all you came in for, then you're not contributing to the thread in any productive way whatsoever.[/quote] [b][u][i]Tech Support Staff[/i][/u][/b] [quote][/quote] [quote] If you're helping anyone, please follow these guidelines: Make sure you only provide answers you are sure are 100% correct. If you aren't exactly sure, they make a clear indication, [i]e.g (Though I'm not exactly sure the offer is still available any more on Newegg)[/i]. To not use personal preferences or opinions to judge components or methods for other people, and if they do, they will give good reason to. Use proper grammar, spelling and terminology to respond to your queries. [/quote] [quote] [quote][b]Successful builders:[/b] The Salty Chip CostlyAxis thebig100 [/quote] [/quote] [b][u][i]Step-By-Step guide on how to build your PC[/b][/u][/i] [quote][/quote] [quote] After you've gathered all your parts, I'm assuming you're going to wonder what to do with all these wires. It's a pretty simple process, Of course, and we start with the case and the psu, or if you want, the motherboard, as long as either of them are put in first, it doesn't matter. [b][u]1. Fitting the PSU[/b][/u] [i]If you want to fit the motherboard first, go to step 2 then back to step 1.[/i] Open your case up, and look for a corner that looks like it will fit a PSU in it. It should be pretty obvious, if it already isn't, there should be four or 6 mounting screw holes for the PSU, and possibly parts built into the case to keep it into place. Just slot your PSU into there and screw in the appropriate screws. [b][u]2. Motherboard [/b][/u] Your case should already have a couple of mounting screws on the side, and it's pretty straightforward to see where the motherboard belongs and how it fits in the system. The IO shield (there should be a rectangular shaped hole in the back of your PC) should pop right into the back of your case. An IO shield should look something like [url=http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/144/images/6ioshield.JPG]this[/url]. After popping in the IO shield, check your motherboard box for [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Toennchen_IMGP5029_wp.jpg]standoffs[/url] (they come in plastic too) and screw them into the case's motherboard mounting holes, then just place the motherboard over the standoffs with the inputs that align to the IO shield (as long as your IO shield isn't upside down), and then screw the motherboard into the standoffs with the provided screws. If a screw won't go in or slightly flexes the motherboard, it might be recommended to leave this screw out, just as long as your motherboard is secure and you're not having problems with fitting upgrades in the PCI slots (we'll come to those later) the motherboard won't mind having a few screws missing if it doesn't look like it's going to be moving or rattling inside the case. [b][u]3. The Processor[/b][/u] In your motherboard, there should be a socket that looks either like [url=http://www.hardcore-hardware.com/images/news/lga-2011-computex/ASUS%20DB%206%20-%20Socket%202.JPG]this[/url] (Newer Intel) or [url=http://techreport.com/r.x/socket-am3/socket-am3.jpg]this[/url] (Newer AMD), or soemthing similar. It is very important that your socket number matches the motherboard's specifications, e.g LGA 1155 will only work with an LGA 1155 motherboard, even if an LGA 1136 looks like it's going to fit. For AMD, you'll find that they're more versatile in sockets, however, anyone can tell you that you should only vouch for AMD given that you are under a tight budget or are building a computer for relatively basic tasks. Anyway, you should see a latch on the side of the socket. Lift up the latch, (and if there's a pin protection plate, most likely on Intel motherboards remove it but do not damage it, you may need it later for RMAs.) and place the processor carefully onto the socket (try avoiding contact with the pins, there should be a small indicator such as a small triangle on the CPU and the motherboard showing which way the processor should be placed) then carefully slot the cpu into place, making sure it's in, and then you want to close the lid (for intel processors) and then press the latch down firmly and secure it. [b][u]4. The PCI expansions[/u][/b] On your motherboard, there should be a couple of PCI expansion slots, [url=http://www.naplestech.com/shopcart/images/pc_slots.gif]in their respective sizes.[/url] Now depending on the type of graphics card you buy, it should tell you which slot it goes in. Now, you start off by seeing which back plates the PCI slot is aligned to on the case, and you can begin by unscrewing the plate. You will want to do this with the case lying flat. In some cases for larger, or more powerful cards, they will use 2 of these back plates and you will need to unscrew more than one. Some PCI slots come with security latches that secure the card in place, and it should make a clicking sound when you plug the card into the slot. After the card is in place, you can use the screws you've taken out of the back panel to secure the card into the case, so that it stays there. This applies to other PCI slot accessories, e.g more USB slots, PCI wireless cards, capture cards, etc. [b][u]5. The Optical Drive/Blu-Ray Drive/SD Card reader etc.[/b][/u] Now these are very easy to install, inside the front half of your case, there should be a few slots for whichever peripherals you choose to install. Remove the front panel dust shield/filters (if you have any) for the slot you want your drive to take. Where the dust shield is removed, just slot in the drive and it should not stick out of the front panel, nor should it be pushed inward too much. After the necessary adjustments, you will see holes for screws in the side of the drive bays - you want to secure the drive in place firmly, but not too tightly, just until the screw's turning becomes slightly difficult to turn. [b][u]6. Hard Drive[/b][/u] You should see underneath where your disc drive is supposed to be {unless it's some sort of obscure case), there should be a mounting area for HDDs similar to the disc drive bays, now for some cases, you may get easy-install options, such as NZXT's clip-on and slide in. You can also purchase 2.5-3.5 inch conversion cases for your 2.5" HDD if you want to move over data from a laptop or an mATX desktop. Installation should be straight forward and very similar to the disc drives, you should have no problem installing it. Again, you only have to make sure it's secure, not tighten it to oblivion. [b][u]7. Wiring and Cable Management[/b][/u] ([i]Skip the first paragraph if you don't want to use cable management, it saves the hassle afterwards[/i]) If you have a modular PSU, only plug in the power cables you need, and for non-modular PSUs, just keep the spare wires away from the main airflow pats of the machine, you can use zip-ties and bunch them up behind the PC's back panel (if it has one) or just keep them away from the fans. Now here is where you connect everything to the everything. Depending on the motherboard you have, there should be one huge 24-pin connector or around that size, what you want to do is you want to find the matching PSU connector. Just plug in the corresponding power connectors to the Motherboard any way you see fit. Also note that there is a special fan connector for the CPU's cooling fan, ([i]Coming soon[/i]) [i]Instructions will be updated and revised[/i] [i]TBC[/i] [/quote] [quote] Useful Links [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=72304145&postRepeater1-p=37#73279965]Building a Computer[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=72304145&postRepeater1-p=43#73344677]Picking Compatible Parts[/url][/quote] [quote][/quote] [i]Thread OP construction is in progress, however, you may feel free to still ask PC Hardware-related questions. [/i] [Edited on 12.31.2012 8:28 PM PST]
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  • I suggest you don't fiddle around with the pre-applied thermal compound unless you're installing a custom cooler or a water block. -- What's the best location to put a subwoofer? On the floor or on my desk? [Edited on 12.27.2012 8:51 AM PST]

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  • On that same review it says that replacing their "disgusting gob of thermal compound" would drop the load temp by about 15* and the idle temp by about 11*.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie I think my GPU doesn't have enough space to get proper airflow. [i]78*C during load[/i].[/quote]That's not really all that abnormal. What case and graphics card do you have?[/quote]Case: Zalman Z11 Plus; 5 Case fans. Three 120mm and two 80mm. GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6770 Core Edition. I'm going to go run another test and give the [u]average[/u] rather that the [u]highest[/u] temperature.[/quote]As long as it doesn't go above 80C you should be fine. If your card is the one linked above, even the highest rated comment said the fan wasn't that great.[/quote]Played a bit of Crysis Warhead on Enthusiast, avg temp was 64*C. Max was 76*C. And yes, that would be my card. [Edited on 12.27.2012 8:28 AM PST]

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  • My 7950 has a stock cooler and it goes up to 76 C.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie I think my GPU doesn't have enough space to get proper airflow. [i]78*C during load[/i].[/quote]That's not really all that abnormal. What case and graphics card do you have?[/quote]Case: Zalman Z11 Plus; 5 Case fans. Three 120mm and two 80mm. GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6770 Core Edition. I'm going to go run another test and give the [u]average[/u] rather that the [u]highest[/u] temperature.[/quote]As long as it doesn't go above 80C you should be fine. If your card is the one linked above, even the highest rated comment said the fan wasn't that great. [Edited on 12.27.2012 8:25 AM PST]

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  • [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150540]Your card?[/url] 78 C is fine. I'll get worried if it goes up to 90 C.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie I think my GPU doesn't have enough space to get proper airflow. [i]78*C during load[/i].[/quote]That's not really all that abnormal. What case and graphics card do you have?[/quote]Case: Zalman Z11 Plus; 5 Case fans. Three 120mm and two 80mm. GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6770 Core Edition. I'm going to go run another test and give the [u]average[/u] rather that the [u]highest[/u] temperature.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie I think my GPU doesn't have enough space to get proper airflow. [i]78*C during load[/i].[/quote]That's not really all that abnormal. What case and graphics card do you have?

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  • I think my GPU doesn't have enough space to get proper airflow. [i]78*C during load[/i]. Well, that was as high as it got and I was in an intense battle on planetside. [Edited on 12.27.2012 8:05 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobismymom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP im a nerd computers x5000 gt 15000 blast processing units for my sega genesis computer 2013 model prebuilt sucks motherboard [/quote][/quote] SNES > Genesis.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobismymom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP im a nerd computers x5000 gt 15000 blast processing units for my sega genesis computer 2013 model prebuilt sucks motherboard [/quote][/quote]wat

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP im a nerd computers x5000 gt 15000 blast processing units for my sega genesis computer 2013 model prebuilt sucks motherboard [/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PMC Fluffy The 7970 is great performance-wise, but you can't have the best graphics without an nVidia card. The funny thing is that if you were to bench both cards on max settings, the nVidia card would be putting up with more stress because its levels of AA are more intensive. I acknowledge that AMD is better for the price, but I still prefer having a better image.[/quote]Except if these higher levels of AA settings were optimized for AMD cards too, they would likely perform better due to the 79xx cards large memory bit size and the amount of VRAM. And ben, at the time when I bought the 670 it was a lot cheaper than the 7970 and the drivers still weren't working well for AMD cards. If I were to have made the choice now I would have gotten the 7970. [Edited on 12.27.2012 6:55 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ferrari DuDe856 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PMC Fluffy The 7970 is great performance-wise, but you can't have the best graphics without an nVidia card. The funny thing is that if you were to bench both cards on max settings, the nVidia card would be putting up with more stress because its levels of AA are more intensive. I acknowledge that AMD is better for the price, but I still prefer having a better image.[/quote] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-matrixhd7970p3gd5]Does this card change anything you said once you have OC'd it even further?[/url] I will wait until the end of the world if that's how long it takes for it to come back in stock. From benches I saw for that specific card is is toe to toe with the 680 on all games I saw, and even the ones with PhysX is puts up a fair fight, but when you over clock BOTH cards to full potential the 7970 Matrix starts to get the edge.[/quote]Hay. Hay Ferrari. Know what's cool? We both live in PA.

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  • The 7970 will outperform the GTX 680 as it overclocks better.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PMC Fluffy The 7970 is great performance-wise, but you can't have the best graphics without an nVidia card. The funny thing is that if you were to bench both cards on max settings, the nVidia card would be putting up with more stress because its levels of AA are more intensive. I acknowledge that AMD is better for the price, but I still prefer having a better image.[/quote] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-matrixhd7970p3gd5]Does this card change anything you said once you have OC'd it even further?[/url] I will wait until the end of the world if that's how long it takes for it to come back in stock. From benches I saw for that specific card is is toe to toe with the 680 on all games I saw, and even the ones with PhysX is puts up a fair fight, but when you over clock BOTH cards to full potential the 7970 Matrix starts to get the edge. [Edited on 12.27.2012 5:26 AM PST]

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  • Salty try this. This worked for me: After getting the error, go to C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\metro 2033\install then hit the physx.exe, and it will uninstall. After it has uninstalled, hit .exe again and now it will install it. then restart your computer. after that go to steam and start the game there and it will work. I had the same problem on my craptop and might on this computer, I think this is what I did.

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  • I did run them briefly but it acted funny so I had to revert to 12.10. I submitted a bug report but BSODs and random graphical artefacts in GTA IV before. -- Screen tearing? Try v-sync. [Edited on 12.27.2012 5:06 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThirstyAvenge Funny how AMD's 12.11 drivers are still in Beta. I'm running 12.10, is it safe if I wipe my drivers and install 12.11?[/quote] I'm sure it's safe. If the driver wasn't stable...AMD wouldn't put it up for an early download. If you have any troubles with it...you can always download and install 12.10 again.

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  • Funny how AMD's 12.11 drivers are still in Beta. I'm running 12.10, is it safe if I wipe my drivers and install 12.11?

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  • If I have driver problems, will Newegg let me RMA it? I keep black screening on Crysis 2, then I have the Crysis 1 fiasco, and I'm getting some screen tearing on Far Cry 3 and BF3. I tried the 12.10 stable, and still had some issues. Whoops... just realized I don't have my packaging... looks like I'll be keeping it... [Edited on 12.27.2012 12:22 AM PST]

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  • The 7970 is great performance-wise, but you can't have the best graphics without an nVidia card. The funny thing is that if you were to bench both cards on max settings, the nVidia card would be putting up with more stress because its levels of AA are more intensive. I acknowledge that AMD is better for the price, but I still prefer having a better image.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP Except the 7970 outpeforms the 670, and you can still use Physx but it'll be offloaded to the CPU. The 7970 is the best single-GPU card you can get currently.[/quote]Plot twist. Salty owns a 670.[/quote]Mind = blown

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  • I'll admit, I laughed at that. Then again, he did buy one when they were the best out there.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PMC Fluffy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuicidalSplatter [url=http://i.imgur.com/xWMtE.png]G-guys, a little help?[/url][/quote]You have an AMD card, which obviously doesn't have PhysX, but [u]Metro requires PhysX to run[/u]. Download PhysX from the Metro installation folder and install it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie Also, if I have stereo headphones, would a sound card make a difference?[/quote]As long as it isn't USB.[/quote]Wrong. I was playing it earlier with my AMD card and I didn't have to install anything extra. But no, the headphones aren't USB. What exactly will this sound card do?[/quote]That's because Metro installs PhysX when you first start the game, but it must not have worked for Splatter for some reason. And the soundcard would give you Dolby Surround, which would help a lot in games like Counter Strike where you can hear enemy footsteps. It would also provide better sampling, a slight increase in FPS due to it taking away the audio duty of the motherboard, and give you a better response time. It depends a lot on what headphones you have though. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THE SALTY CHIP Except the 7970 outpeforms the 670, and you can still use Physx but it'll be offloaded to the CPU. The 7970 is the best single-GPU card you can get currently.[/quote]Plot twist. Salty owns a 670.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superbunnie Ok, during planetside 2 play time mine reached 70.5*C. Not too bad eh?[/quote] Shouldn't be an issue. The GTX 690 goes up to 80-ish C.

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