[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZundayXx Vaulting, those are very good Statements. But i'm not really understanding your cause.[/quote] Regular Marines and ODSTs held the line for 27 years on the ground in every combat action against the Covenant. Even in Halo CE's timeline ODSTs and Marines set up an actual base on the ring and successfully excecuted an excape plan of stealing a [i]CCS[/i]-class Battle Crusier and took off from the ring. Only an ODST who understood what the Flood was about changed their survival. She took out the drive lines of that vessel and forced it to crash back onto the ring, blowing up in the process. And yes those Marines and ODSTs survived several attacks from the Flood and managed to capture one alive. More than what Spartan-117 did. Point being they did the work during the war. Spartans played a very small part in it. More or less dropping in a nuke in a good spot then running away. Either that or helping evac civilians from a planet under siege. Thats under the cover of the Marines and ODSTs. They did more for the war that the Spartans did up to Halo CE. And then it was only one single Spartan who managed to save the galaxy (once on his own and another time with the help of the Flood/Marines/ODSTs/Elites/Arbiter). And even then he nearly was turned into a Flood himself during those events. If it werent for Cortana there wouldnt be a Spartan-117 after Halo CE.[/quote] and yet, without the spartans, the war would have been lost years ago. The spartans have more confirmed kills than ALL of the ODST divisions. Yes, without ODST's and marines, humanity would have been washed away but without the Spartan's, mankind would not have won. Besides, you have obviously read "The Flood" book, because you mention the bases and operations the marines/ODST's took. The only reason MC didn't help capture any flood was because around that time, MC was at the control room of Halo/Guilty Spark level or The library. MC single handedly fought through what those ODST's could not have. Also, MC didnt take part in most of those operations because he was ordered to do other things, (Silva? I think) didnt like the Spartans, he thought they were freaks and particularly resent MC for killing and beating up some of his men all that time ago.