He shouldn't of used a baseball bat, that's just stupid. He should of expected a punishment like this. He could of just tackled and held him to the ground or something, but then again, I doubt anyone standing up for bullying is that strong; and most likely requires a weapon.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pinkie Pie Awesome. That kid is my hero[/quote]

I don't think it is real

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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door True, there is a possibility that it would be a blocked proposition purely by the virtue of judiciary failures being covered up to save the aft ends of higher-ups and their salaries However, that is one other reason that I propose that vigilantes receive no government support (financially or otherwise). Governments could then claim that the vigilantes are working on their own with no associations tying them to government justice systems. That could potentially be a foil. Plus, allowing vigilantism with the strict restrictions that I've said previously would greatly allow for epic support by the people. I mean, who doesn't want Batman running around their city keeping them safe?[/quote]Indeed. Even so, an effective justice system is a system in which fewer criminals are prosecuted and less money is made. I believe that vigilantes aren't what the higher-ups fear; [i]efficiency[/i] is. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Yeah, it'd probably start off pretty shaky. You know, vigilantism would be a tough job at the beginning. There would probably be a lot of casualties, but it would probably end up that vigilantes would start networking with each other, and then a nice little Justice League would be formed. Yeah, I know, I'm saying a lot of comic references, and while that may seem silly, I'm just using these as examples everyone can understand.[/quote]Indeed. I can even anticipate the ironic twist of vigilante networks spreading and populating in much the same manner as gangs -- minus the illegitimacy, illegality, and malicious intentions. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Vigilantes should probably also be given free vigilante passports that allow for free travel everywhere, thus vigilantes can team up, thus greatly increasing their abilities.[/quote]In terms of lifting government-imposed travel restrictions, this would be a boon. In terms of lifting or affecting travel costs, those decisions would have to be made by the travel services themselves in keeping with the lack of government financing for vigilantes.[/quote]Then the majority of the public would need to overrule in VAST majority. Like, ridiculously vast majority. You know, if this actually happened, I wouldn't be surprised if vigilantism spread like that. Whole giant groups of vigilantes would make crime much easier to stop, seeing as they would be constantly investigating from so many different areas. Plus, with training, it'd be like a giant team of private investigators all working toward one cause. Maybe the travel services are the only government support then? Just allowing for free travel isn't THAT big of a money sink, if it brings criminals to justice that would instead require great amounts of police funding. There would probably also have to be a "Vigilante Constitution/Laws". Things like: Vigilantes can only apprehend criminals guilty of the following crimes: Theft/Attempted theft Holding hostages for ransom or unjust gain Inhumane torment Murder/Attempted murder in cold blood Excessively cruel acts Brutal physical violence against an innocent bystander etc. (maybe more, but that's all for now) No vigilante may work for personal gain. All work must be done for the good of the public with no direct attempt at personal gain. Vigilantes may not murder or execute without evidence of previous crimes committed worthy of capital punishment being repeated. Vigilantes may not cause excessive brutal harm to those they deem necessary to incapacitate. All vigilante targets may only be incapacitated, and must be immediately submitted to a proper authority upon incapacitation (exempt in cases of confirmed capital punishment) as soon as the vigilante has the ability to safely. Thus, with all of these being followed, the efficiency is still up to judiciary systems, only less money is being spent on police raids. Less reason to turn it down. [Edited on 08.19.2011 1:19 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Then the majority of the public would need to overrule in VAST majority. Like, ridiculously vast majority.[/quote]Indeed. And alas, it won't happen. We are literally indoctrinated to believe in our justice system. Nearly every TV show preaches about its efficacy, and the media rarely allows us to remember its failures. Most people think that things are fine the way they are. They think so because they've literally never been personally exposed to examples of the system's failure. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door You know, if this actually happened, I wouldn't be surprised if vigilantism spread like that. Whole giant groups of vigilantes would make crime much easier to stop, seeing as they would be constantly investigating from so many different areas. Plus, with training, it'd be like a giant team of private investigators all working toward one cause.[/quote]Exactly. I believe that there is a cosmic war between good and evil, and if these changes were to be made, the former's armies would become much larger. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Maybe the travel services are the only government support then? Just allowing for free travel isn't THAT big of a money sink, if it brings criminals to justice that would instead require great amounts of police funding.[/quote]True. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door There would probably also have to be a "Vigilante Constitution/Laws". Things like: Vigilantes can only apprehend criminals guilty of the following crimes: Theft/Attempted theft Holding hostages for ransom or unjust gain Inhumane torment Murder/Attempted murder in cold blood Excessively cruel acts Brutal physical violence against an innocent bystander etc. (maybe more, but that's all for now) No vigilante may work for personal gain. All work must be done for the good of the public with no direct attempt at personal gain. Vigilantes may not murder or execute without evidence if previous crimes committed worthy of capital punishment being repeated. Vigilantes may not cause excessive brutal harm to those they deem necessary to incapacitate. All vigilante targets may only be incapacitated, and must be immediately submitted to a proper authority upon incapacitation (exempt in cases of confirmed capital punishment) as soon as the vigilante has the ability to safely. Thus, with all of these being followed, the efficiency is still up to judiciary systems, only less money is being spent on police raids. Less reason to turn it down.[/quote]This is a good workaround. Vigilantism is allowed, but it defers to the judiciary. The justice system can feed off it in an almost-parasitic fashion -- it would benefit the good [i]and[/i] the higher-ups. The only true obstacle, then, is public opinion.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pinkie Pie Awesome. That kid is our hero[/quote] fix'd

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ES 94 Anyone wearing a cape in public deserves to do whatever they want.[/quote] But Rorschach didn't wear a cape...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Then the majority of the public would need to overrule in VAST majority. Like, ridiculously vast majority.[/quote]Indeed. And alas, it won't happen. We are literally indoctrinated to believe in our justice system. Nearly every TV show preaches about its efficacy, and the media rarely allows us to remember its failures. Most people think that things are fine the way they are. They think so because they've literally never been personally exposed to examples of the system's failure. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door You know, if this actually happened, I wouldn't be surprised if vigilantism spread like that. Whole giant groups of vigilantes would make crime much easier to stop, seeing as they would be constantly investigating from so many different areas. Plus, with training, it'd be like a giant team of private investigators all working toward one cause.[/quote]Exactly. I believe that there is a cosmic war between good and evil, and if these changes were to be made, the former's armies would become much larger. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Maybe the travel services are the only government support then? Just allowing for free travel isn't THAT big of a money sink, if it brings criminals to justice that would instead require great amounts of police funding.[/quote]True. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door There would probably also have to be a "Vigilante Constitution/Laws". Things like: Vigilantes can only apprehend criminals guilty of the following crimes: Theft/Attempted theft Holding hostages for ransom or unjust gain Inhumane torment Murder/Attempted murder in cold blood Excessively cruel acts Brutal physical violence against an innocent bystander etc. (maybe more, but that's all for now) No vigilante may work for personal gain. All work must be done for the good of the public with no direct attempt at personal gain. Vigilantes may not murder or execute without evidence if previous crimes committed worthy of capital punishment being repeated. Vigilantes may not cause excessive brutal harm to those they deem necessary to incapacitate. All vigilante targets may only be incapacitated, and must be immediately submitted to a proper authority upon incapacitation (exempt in cases of confirmed capital punishment) as soon as the vigilante has the ability to safely. Thus, with all of these being followed, the efficiency is still up to judiciary systems, only less money is being spent on police raids. Less reason to turn it down.[/quote]This is a good workaround. Vigilantism is allowed, but it defers to the judiciary. The justice system can feed off it in an almost-parasitic fashion -- it would benefit the good [i]and[/i] the higher-ups. The only true obstacle, then, is public opinion.[/quote]Well, as much as people are brainwashed to believe in the judiciary system, if people would honestly take a look at these restrictions and see how much it's regulated, it's hard to say no to it. It's really just freelance police work that anyone can sign up for and carry out in their own fashion as long as they adhere to specific laws. People may be brainwashed to believe in justice systems, but I think our love of Batman can overcome that brainwashing.

How is that rorscach terrible costume [Edited on 08.19.2011 1:30 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO REACH OWNZ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] K Funk I find myself questioning the legitimacy of that...[/quote][/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Well, as much as people are brainwashed to believe in the judiciary system, if people would honestly take a look at these restrictions and see how much it's regulated, it's hard to say no to it. It's really just freelance police work that anyone can sign up for and carry out in their own fashion as long as they adhere to specific laws. People may be brainwashed to believe in justice systems, but I think our love of Batman can overcome that brainwashing.[/quote]I hope so. Because from all that I have seen and heard, the only other way to overcome our indoctrination is to see for ourselves what the justice system fails to protect us from.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XxDruidxX That kid deserves to get the fanciest whore in town.[/quote] I volunteer.

lol kudos to capey

Obviously fake, nothin' to see here folks.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Well, as much as people are brainwashed to believe in the judiciary system, if people would honestly take a look at these restrictions and see how much it's regulated, it's hard to say no to it. It's really just freelance police work that anyone can sign up for and carry out in their own fashion as long as they adhere to specific laws. People may be brainwashed to believe in justice systems, but I think our love of Batman can overcome that brainwashing.[/quote]I hope so. Because from all that I have seen and heard, the only other way to overcome our indoctrination is to see for ourselves what the justice system fails to protect us from.[/quote]Vigilantism in the way that I'm describing it would actually help with a lot of gray area stuff. You know, like if in a country it is legal to be cruel to animals, but yet that counts as excessive cruelty to vigilantes, so they could put an end to that, as well as poaching/whaling, or things that are in neutral territory and aren't in the jurisdiction of anyone.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Vigilantism in the way that I'm describing it would actually help with a lot of gray area stuff. You know, like if in a country it is legal to be cruel to animals, but yet that counts as excessive cruelty to vigilantes, so they could put an end to that, as well as poaching/whaling, or things that are in neutral territory and aren't in the jurisdiction of anyone.[/quote]True, but caution would be required there. That's not a far stretch from PETA breaking animals out of legal and standards-compliant testing labs, or radicals burning down abortion clinics after all the staff have left for the day. Even if vigilantism were strictly bound to the law, it would still be more than sufficient given the changes we've described. I'll probably be going to bed soon, but this has been a most pleasant conversation. It is relieving to see someone whose beliefs are compatible with my own; it's been too long since the last time.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Vigilantism in the way that I'm describing it would actually help with a lot of gray area stuff. You know, like if in a country it is legal to be cruel to animals, but yet that counts as excessive cruelty to vigilantes, so they could put an end to that, as well as poaching/whaling, or things that are in neutral territory and aren't in the jurisdiction of anyone.[/quote]True, but caution would be required there. That's not a far stretch from PETA breaking animals out of legal and standards-compliant testing labs, or radicals burning down abortion clinics after all the staff have left for the day. Even if vigilantism were strictly bound to the law, it would still be more than sufficient given the changes we've described. I'll probably be going to bed soon, but this has been a most pleasant conversation. It is relieving to see someone whose beliefs are compatible with my own; it's been too long since the last time.[/quote]Probably the animal cruelty would need to have its own specific subsection, or something like that. Indeed, this has been pleasant to actually have a conversation with someone on The Flood that is intelligent and engaging. Thanks, it has been too long since I've had a conversation like this. PM me if you still want to discuss vigilantism further, and stuff like that.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou Well, being a vigilante is against the law, so yeah.[/quote]I don't get this law... at all. "Oh you want to help clean up the streets and stop crime but don't have the grades to be a policeman? Well -blam!- YOU."

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rambo Stu [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou Well, being a vigilante is against the law, so yeah.[/quote]I don't get this law... at all. "Oh you want to help clean up the streets and stop crime but don't have the grades to be a policeman? Well -blam!- YOU."[/quote]Check out the conversation Cobb and I have been having. Interesting stuff.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Fluffs Why did he wear a cape? [/quote] well why not?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rambo Stu [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou Well, being a vigilante is against the law, so yeah.[/quote]I don't get this law... at all. "Oh you want to help clean up the streets and stop crime but don't have the grades to be a policeman? Well -blam!- YOU."[/quote] Well...yeah. Police officers carry a significant amount of responsibility that requires training and organization; vigilantism defies that and assumes that a single untrained person can do more good than a person that is armed, has backup, a bullet-resistant and chase-oriented vehicle, and a centralized hub of information for tracking and profiling criminals.

Was that a towel or a cape?

When I grow up I wanna be just like this kid!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rambo Stu [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou Well, being a vigilante is against the law, so yeah.[/quote]I don't get this law... at all. "Oh you want to help clean up the streets and stop crime but don't have the grades to be a policeman? Well -blam!- YOU."[/quote] Well...yeah. Police officers carry a significant amount of responsibility that requires training and organization; vigilantism defies that and assumes that a single untrained person can do more good than a person that is armed, has backup, a bullet-resistant and chase-oriented vehicle, and a centralized hub of information for tracking and profiling criminals.[/quote] What surprises me is that being a bounty hunter in the US is legal. Here (the UK) you'll go to gaol is you make a citizens arrest (holding someone there against their will = kidnap) and they aren't really trained to do it as well as officers, either.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Wait... He srsly got arrested for helping that kid getting bullied? [/quote]There is stopping a bully from hurting a kid, and then there's assault with a weapon.