i love that kid :)

That guy had it coming.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb The idea, when rescuing someone from their attacker, is to use the minimum amount of force you can [i]while still ensuring a successful rescue[/i]. If you're not sure how much force to use, you round up.[/quote] I think Rorschach was trying to do the "US Military" method of rescue.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pinkie Pie Awesome. That kid is my hero[/quote]

I personally would have hit his head with the bat... But that's just me.

That was amazing. However, vigilante justice is illegal as we all know.

I just realized something, watch the video again, the kid in the blue shirt literally comes out of no were 0_0

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bbman12pwnz I just realized something, watch the video again, the kid in the blue shirt literally comes out of no were 0_0 [/quote] No. You can see him running up. Around 6 seconds in. [Edited on 08.19.2011 12:23 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shadow mike75 That was amazing. However, vigilante justice is illegal as we all know.[/quote]You know, as much as it makes sense to make it illegal, wouldn't it be awesome if vigilantism was actually legal around the world as long as no deaths were incurred, and the vigilante only incapacitated guilty parties, helped innocent parties, and delivered those captured straight to justice?

Why did he wear a cape?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shadow mike75 That was amazing. However, vigilante justice is illegal as we all know.[/quote]You know, as much as it makes sense to make it illegal, wouldn't it be awesome if vigilantism was actually legal around the world as long as no deaths were incurred, and the vigilante only incapacitated guilty parties, helped innocent parties, and delivered those captured straight to justice?[/quote] Ideally it would be a beautiful thing. That is my opinion on the matter.

Obviously fake. And where's the article stating he got jail time?

Kid is awesome. [Edited on 08.19.2011 12:28 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shadow mike75 That was amazing. However, vigilante justice is illegal as we all know.[/quote]You know, as much as it makes sense to make it illegal, wouldn't it be awesome if vigilantism was actually legal around the world as long as no deaths were incurred, and the vigilante only incapacitated guilty parties, helped innocent parties, and delivered those captured straight to justice?[/quote]That would be awesome. Though in my opinion, it would be even more awesome if, when pursuing the perpetrators of certain offenses, lethality -- if not torture -- in vigilantism were entirely allowed and encouraged. Some crimes deserve worse than death, and it would be doing our own sense of morality a disservice to use a lesser punishment than death.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shadow mike75 That was amazing. However, vigilante justice is illegal as we all know.[/quote]You know, as much as it makes sense to make it illegal, wouldn't it be awesome if vigilantism was actually legal around the world as long as no deaths were incurred, and the vigilante only incapacitated guilty parties, helped innocent parties, and delivered those captured straight to justice?[/quote]That would be awesome. Though in my opinion, it would be even more awesome if, when pursuing the perpetrators of certain offenses, lethality -- if not torture -- in vigilantism were entirely allowed and encouraged. Some crimes deserve worse than death, and it would be doing our own sense of morality a disservice to use a lesser punishment than death.[/quote]The only problem would be in cases where the person killed may only have LOOKED guilty to the vigilante party. Then, the damage cannot be undone, an innocent life was ended. However, if the innocent party just had, say, a broken leg, then at least they can live to see another day.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door The only problem would be in cases where the person killed may only have LOOKED guilty to the vigilante party. Then, the damage cannot be undone, an innocent life was ended. However, if the innocent party just had, say, a broken leg, then at least they can live to see another day.[/quote]So limit it to proven repeat offenses of the worst crimes -- raep, torture, and murder -- and require verification of identity prior to mandatory torture and execution.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door The only problem would be in cases where the person killed may only have LOOKED guilty to the vigilante party. Then, the damage cannot be undone, an innocent life was ended. However, if the innocent party just had, say, a broken leg, then at least they can live to see another day.[/quote]So limit it to proven repeat offenses of the worst crimes -- raep, torture, and murder -- and require verification of identity prior to mandatory torture and execution.[/quote]In that case, maybe only allow for vigilante executions in cases where the offender is already known for doing a crime of the worst offense in the past, and if they are repeating it? That might work... Although it'd be a big risk on the part of the vigilante even still. They'd really need to have a lot of information, and really know who they're dealing with.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door That might work... Although it'd be a big risk on the part of the vigilante even still. They'd really need to have a lot of information, and really know who they're dealing with.[/quote]Indeed. But if it succeeds, it would go a long way toward beating back depravity. It'd bring us closer to a world in which those who make the innocent suffer are in turn made to suffer.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door That might work... Although it'd be a big risk on the part of the vigilante even still. They'd really need to have a lot of information, and really know who they're dealing with.[/quote]Indeed. But if it succeeds, it would go a long way toward beating back depravity. It'd bring us closer to a world in which those who make the innocent suffer are in turn made to suffer.[/quote]There would have to be laws that protect vigilantes. Maybe a vigilante license? You must prove yourself actually capable of fighting in both hand to hand, and through the use of weapons, and stuff like that? There'd probably also have to be maybe verification of a few people associated with each vigilante, a sort of "backup" to report if the vigilante goes missing. Probably the vigilante would need to have a register with local police saying that they are investigating a possible crime, and then need to give status reports at intervals to prevent covered up deaths/captures. Perhaps also tracking devices that the vigilante is required to wear so that the police can track them in the event that things go sour, maybe also be required to wear some form of surveillance equipment to make sure that the vigilante was performing only with the best intentions.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door There would have to be laws that protect vigilantes. Maybe a vigilante license? You must prove yourself actually capable of fighting in both hand to hand, and through the use of weapons, and stuff like that?[/quote]Sounds perfect. Honestly, I wish such training was mandatory anyway. It would save a lot of lives. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door There'd probably also have to be maybe verification of a few people associated with each vigilante, a sort of "backup" to report if the vigilante goes missing. Probably the vigilante would need to have a register with local police saying that they are investigating a possible crime, and then need to give status reports at intervals to prevent covered up deaths/captures.[/quote]Makes sense. It would also help prevent vigilantism from being used as a cover for the murder of innocent persons. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Perhaps also tracking devices that the vigilante is required to wear so that the police can track them in the event that things go sour, maybe also be required to wear some form of surveillance equipment to make sure that the vigilante was performing only with the best intentions.[/quote]Absolutely, but only if such equipment is very heavily secured so as to prevent villains from using it to track their own pursuers.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door There would have to be laws that protect vigilantes. Maybe a vigilante license? You must prove yourself actually capable of fighting in both hand to hand, and through the use of weapons, and stuff like that?[/quote]Sounds perfect. Honestly, I wish such training was mandatory anyway. It would save a lot of lives. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door There'd probably also have to be maybe verification of a few people associated with each vigilante, a sort of "backup" to report if the vigilante goes missing. Probably the vigilante would need to have a register with local police saying that they are investigating a possible crime, and then need to give status reports at intervals to prevent covered up deaths/captures.[/quote]Makes sense. It would also help prevent vigilantism from being used as a cover for the murder of innocent persons. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Perhaps also tracking devices that the vigilante is required to wear so that the police can track them in the event that things go sour, maybe also be required to wear some form of surveillance equipment to make sure that the vigilante was performing only with the best intentions.[/quote]Absolutely, but only if such equipment is very heavily secured so as to prevent villains from using it to track their own pursuers.[/quote]You know, if all this stuff was implemented, I see no reason why vigilantism should be illegal. Every precaution would be made such that the vigilante is always going to have to perform with the best interest of the public at heart, and it's all at the vigilante's own risk, (No government funding, it's all up to the vigilante if they really want to help. Although maybe a police station tip box that the community can donate to if they wish?) and then if they end up doing illegal stuff, vigilante license is revoked and punishment is twice as harsh, thus to deter vigilantes from doing anything bad. Of course, vigilantes would probably still be given government protection, or at least local law enforcement protection through sworn anonymity. Probably vigilantes would be required to cover their face so that they cannot be tracked outside of performing their services.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door You know, if all this stuff was implemented, I see no reason why vigilantism should be illegal. Every precaution would be made such that the vigilante is always going to have to perform with the best interest of the public at heart, and it's all at the vigilante's own risk, (No government funding, it's all up to the vigilante if they really want to help. Although maybe a police station tip box that the community can donate to if they wish?) and then if they end up doing illegal stuff, vigilante license is revoked and punishment is twice as harsh, thus to deter vigilantes from doing anything bad. Of course, vigilantes would probably still be given government protection, or at least local law enforcement protection through sworn anonymity. Probably vigilantes would be required to cover their face so that they cannot be tracked outside of performing their services.[/quote]Indeed. However, I suspect that it will remain illegal because it would allow the people to perform the responsibilities that the present justice system is failing to adequately perform. It would hence decrease faith in that justice system -- and, by extension, the power and salaries of its administrators. Ergo even if such changes were to be backed by the majority of civilians in this country, the managers of the justice system -- the only people capable of enacting the change, and the ones who have the most to lose from it -- would serve themselves rather than the people, and leave the system unchanged and their salaries overinflated, most probably while justifying their stagnancy with an illusory and made-up moral high ground.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DavidJCobb [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door You know, if all this stuff was implemented, I see no reason why vigilantism should be illegal. Every precaution would be made such that the vigilante is always going to have to perform with the best interest of the public at heart, and it's all at the vigilante's own risk, (No government funding, it's all up to the vigilante if they really want to help. Although maybe a police station tip box that the community can donate to if they wish?) and then if they end up doing illegal stuff, vigilante license is revoked and punishment is twice as harsh, thus to deter vigilantes from doing anything bad. Of course, vigilantes would probably still be given government protection, or at least local law enforcement protection through sworn anonymity. Probably vigilantes would be required to cover their face so that they cannot be tracked outside of performing their services.[/quote]Indeed. However, I suspect that it will remain illegal because it would allow the people to perform the responsibilities that the present justice system is failing to adequately perform. It would hence decrease faith in that justice system -- and, by extension, the power and salaries of its administrators. Ergo even if such changes were to be backed by the majority of civilians in this country, the managers of the justice system -- the only people capable of enacting the change, and the ones who have the most to lose from it -- would serve themselves rather than the people, and leave the system unchanged and their salaries overinflated, most probably while justifying their stagnancy with an illusory and made-up moral high ground.[/quote]True, there is a possibility that it would be a blocked proposition purely by the virtue of judiciary failures being covered up to save the aft ends of higher-ups and their salaries. However, that is one other reason that I propose that vigilantes receive no government support (financially or otherwise). Governments could then claim that the vigilantes are working on their own with no associations tying them to government justice systems. That could potentially be a foil. Plus, allowing vigilantism with the strict restrictions that I've said previously would greatly allow for epic support by the people. I mean, who doesn't want Batman running around their city keeping them safe? Yeah, it'd probably start off pretty shaky. You know, vigilantism would be a tough job at the beginning. There would probably be a lot of casualties, but it would probably end up that vigilantes would start networking with each other, and then a nice little Justice League would be formed. Yeah, I know, I'm saying a lot of comic references, and while that may seem silly, I'm just using these as examples everyone can understand. Vigilantes should probably also be given free vigilante passports that allow for free travel everywhere, thus vigilantes can team up, thus greatly increasing their abilities.

He won't be convicted. This has happened to me countless times. You're only arrested and taken in for questioning. If it's clear that you were acting in the defense of self or another than you'll be fine. [Edited on 08.19.2011 12:57 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door True, there is a possibility that it would be a blocked proposition purely by the virtue of judiciary failures being covered up to save the aft ends of higher-ups and their salaries However, that is one other reason that I propose that vigilantes receive no government support (financially or otherwise). Governments could then claim that the vigilantes are working on their own with no associations tying them to government justice systems. That could potentially be a foil. Plus, allowing vigilantism with the strict restrictions that I've said previously would greatly allow for epic support by the people. I mean, who doesn't want Batman running around their city keeping them safe?[/quote]Indeed. Even so, an effective justice system is a system in which fewer criminals are prosecuted and less money is made. I believe that vigilantes aren't what the higher-ups fear; [i]efficiency[/i] is. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Yeah, it'd probably start off pretty shaky. You know, vigilantism would be a tough job at the beginning. There would probably be a lot of casualties, but it would probably end up that vigilantes would start networking with each other, and then a nice little Justice League would be formed. Yeah, I know, I'm saying a lot of comic references, and while that may seem silly, I'm just using these as examples everyone can understand.[/quote]Indeed. I can even anticipate the ironic twist of vigilante networks spreading and populating in much the same manner as gangs -- minus the illegitimacy, illegality, and malicious intentions. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Dumb Door Vigilantes should probably also be given free vigilante passports that allow for free travel everywhere, thus vigilantes can team up, thus greatly increasing their abilities.[/quote]In terms of lifting government-imposed travel restrictions, this would be a boon. In terms of lifting or affecting travel costs, those decisions would have to be made by the travel services themselves in keeping with the lack of government financing for vigilantes.

He shouldn't of used a baseball bat, that's just stupid. He should of expected a punishment like this. He could of just tackled and held him to the ground or something, but then again, I doubt anyone standing up for bullying is that strong; and most likely requires a weapon.