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Why Adult Entertainment Videos Can Do Harm - Discussion

[b]-FLAME SUIT ON!-[/b] [b]Disclaimer:[/b] [i]In this thread, I will argue my point as to why in my view p0rn videos do harm, this thread is also aimed at straight men, but most of the principles still can apply to women and -blam!--blam!-s. Before you all attack me in your replies for what ever reason, I would like to you read what I have to say. I am not looking at this from a religious or moral angle, but rather showing examples that could happen in real life. I do not want this to be a religious thread, and I do not want this to become a flat out insulting match between two sides, if it does reach that point, I will inform moderators of what is going on and ask them to lock the thread. Also, please no one post links to anything including nudity as there is no real age limit on these forums. Also, to any moderators who may read this, if you feel that discussion has become to explicit, or that my original post breaches the rules (I don't see how it should, as in nearly every thread there is at least one post closely related to what I am talking about) please lock. Ok, with that out the way, let me continue...[/i] There are three reasons I can see why it would do damage, as such, I will split the rest of this post into three parts. [b]1. Expectation[/b] This can harm relationships for two reasons, first is that for all those people who haven't had sex yet (AKA 99% of the flood) it boosts expectations beyond what can be equaled. You will want your girl friend/wife to look and act like the women you are used to seeing, and as such she isn't adequate. This is known to be the case. If you want to be married, and over time you become bored with your wife, you will want something that looks more like the unnaturally good looking women you have seen in the videos you watch. This will (and has often) led to affairs and break ups in relationships, as well as the man involved feeling resentment to their partner as they don't feel like they are getting what they should. [b]2. Addiction[/b] Most often, if you are in a long term relationship, you're wife/girlfriend wont want you to look at other people having sex. This is very understandable, the only problem is, that many people are addicted (or so they claim) to watching p0rn and -blam!-ion. Most often people seem to think that once they are in a relationship they wont need to resort to over ways of -blam!- stimulation, but in long term relationships (and coupled with the first point I made) means that they resort back to the original method, and cannot give it up, even when their partner finds out about it. [b]3. Objectification[/b] If you are used to having women do what ever you want, when ever you want, when watching videos on your computer, then if you think you do or not, you are making them simply an image or object, which exists only to enhance the way you feel. When this comes to a partner, you may be great friends with them in other occasions, but you will have objectified the female body and the -blam!- act as something simply for your own gain. Sure this isn't for everyone, but for many people it is. Men sometimes asks their parters for a threesome with another woman, but are opposed to their partner asking for a threesome with another man involved. In my eyes neither are right, but if thats what you are into or not, you must see the double standard. If those jokes about the perfect woman being some one who only makes sandwiches and being naked weren't based in anything, they wouldn't exist and people wouldn't find them funny. This also applies to other forms of sex which men like the idea of and women don't want to do, yet they are pressured into. [b]Conclusion[/b] I am not trying to judge anyone, but I have seen too many relationships and marriages break up because of this. Most people probably don't think of how it will effect them in the future, but they need to. Because if they don't address the issue at least, the adult videos will do harm. (clearly, there are some exceptions to the points, such as your partner watching it with you, or them not caring, but this isn't everyone, so the points still stand for those who do care) Again, I am not telling you how to live, just giving you food for thought. So, what is your view? Do you think that you should try and give it up now, before you get into a relationship, or how else should you live your life? [i]- JFKES[/i] [Edited on 02.10.2011 2:02 PM PST]
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  • How about the fact that we've been -blam!- deviants for centuries?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] roman arrow12 I'm confused as to why you're arguing your position but still completely ignoring all evidence brought against you while not providing any of your own.[/quote]I am confused as to which evidence you posted which went against what I was saying... [i]- JFKES[/i]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Prof Oak [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES[/quote] P0rn is not only for Men! Women like to watch it also![/quote]I never said it was only for men, in my OP I saw that I am targeting this at men, because that is what most of the flood is, but it can also be applied to women. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] I'm confused as to why you're arguing your position but still completely ignoring all evidence brought against you while not providing any of your own.

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  • Here's the thing. One woman IS inadequate. If I could only have sex with my girlfriend and never watch a pr0n again I would eventually just stop having sex. Thanks to pr0n, I get to mix it up sometimes, keeping my girlfriend from getting stale and keeping me in the game.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX That's because i'm not the one who's confused. You are implying that adult entertainment is repsonsible for -blam!- objectification of women and people having their kinks, but you are wrong on both accounts. Women have been objectified as sex tools for hundreds of years, look at the institute of prostitution, it's been around for thousands of years. Furthermore people have had their perversions for thousands of years, you can see it in art from many different cultures. I don't support the adult film industry, but i'm not going to blame it for things it doesn't do. All it really does is profit on peoples desires. It doesn't set the bar, it just charges you to see it.[/quote]Just because something has been happening for years, does not mean p0rn isn't doing it as well. So that part of your argument has no weight.[/quote] How does the arguement have no weight? You are accusing adult entertainment of causing something that has been happening for centuries. If anything I just took the heat out of your arguement. I never said it wasn't running with it, I just said it didn't cause it, which is what you have said multiple times up to this point. [quote]Perversions are perversions, and a business that thrives off peoples basic desires not warning people of the future implications is damaging to society. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] That is highly debatable. Has there been any evidence of such damage? You can attribut divorce to a great many things that have nothing to do with -blam!-. While -blam!- can be bad for some couples/people I think your bias is extremely obvious, your struggling to paint a negative picture on the subject. [Edited on 02.10.2011 11:18 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Prof Oak [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES[/quote] P0rn is not only for Men! Women like to watch it also![/quote]I never said it was only for men, in my OP I saw that I am targeting this at men, because that is what most of the flood is, but it can also be applied to women. [i]- JFKES[/i]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] o S IE C IR E T [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] o S IE C IR E T If these truly have an effect on one's relationship, then perhaps the relationship isn't as tightly knit as once thought. If you truly have feelings for somebody on the emotional level, this should never be an issue, because if it does, it proves that these are either fostered feelings or she is there simply for the entertainment. I put value into relationships more than others, so I think. I cannot see myself falling prey to any of the aforementioned.[/quote]So is it ok for someone to cheat on another person, and then not giving up cheating? To the wife/girlfriend they are both very similar. They are pleasuring themselves over a different woman. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] I am not quite sure how this is related to my statement, but I'll bite and guess why. I see non reason for anybody who is confortable or happy with another person to even engage is such activities. Directed toward your quore; no, I don't view that as okay.[/quote]So you think cheating is wrong, but the woman should be fine with the man watching p0rn? What is the logic in that? In both instances the man is pleasuring himself in a way that is not his wife/girlfriend. This would make her feel inadequate, making him want to stop it. He might not want to stop it, but if he tries to and fails, she wont be happy. [i]- JFKES[/i]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES[/quote] P0rn is not only for Men! Women like to watch it also!

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  • Watching pr0n and cheating are as far removed from each other in my mind as not watching it and watching are in yours. Any woman who gets angry at her man for having a little fireman time is a woman who is too uptight to have a little herself.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX That's because i'm not the one who's confused. You are implying that adult entertainment is repsonsible for -blam!- objectification of women and people having their kinks, but you are wrong on both accounts. Women have been objectified as sex tools for hundreds of years, look at the institute of prostitution, it's been around for thousands of years. Furthermore people have had their perversions for thousands of years, you can see it in art from many different cultures. I don't support the adult film industry, but i'm not going to blame it for things it doesn't do. All it really does is profit on peoples desires. It doesn't set the bar, it just charges you to see it.[/quote]Just because something has been happening for years, does not mean p0rn isn't doing it as well. So that part of your argument has no weight. Perversions are perversions, and a business that thrives off peoples basic desires not warning people of the future implications is damaging to society. [i]- JFKES[/i]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] o S IE C IR E T If these truly have an effect on one's relationship, then perhaps the relationship isn't as tightly knit as once thought. If you truly have feelings for somebody on the emotional level, this should never be an issue, because if it does, it proves that these are either fostered feelings or she is there simply for the entertainment. I put value into relationships more than others, so I think. I cannot see myself falling prey to any of the aforementioned.[/quote]So is it ok for someone to cheat on another person, and then not giving up cheating? To the wife/girlfriend they are both very similar. They are pleasuring themselves over a different woman. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] I am not quite sure how this is related to my statement, but I'll bite and guess why. I see non reason for anybody who is confortable or happy with another person to even engage is such activities. Directed toward your quore; no, I don't view that as okay.

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  • I'd also like to point out that without pr0n sex would have had a much steeper learning curve for a lot of us haha

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera You realize we're animals and not Prince Charmings, right?[/quote]Yes. If we were Prince Charmings I wouldn't have had to make this thread. Being animals does not make something right, in the animal kingdom many creatures kill each other, does that make murder ok? We can reason, and we have a higher mental state than animals, as such we should be aspiring to be better than animals, not stay on there level. [i]- JFKES[/i]

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  • Think about how many more sex crimes there'd be if 20 year old virgins couldn't get their free pr0n fix haha

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  • I approve of the OP's message.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera Objectification: Get a girl who does what you want in bed.[/quote]That is playing along with objectification, not an answer for it. You should love the individual. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] -blam!- or not, if you do not have a relationship that is -blam!-ly satisfying to both parties, it will most likely not last. Sex is a BIG part of a lasting relationship between two people, loving the individual has little to do with mutual physical attraction and chemistry.[/quote]Of course, I don't suggest that you get in a relationship with some one you are not attracted to. But that does not mean you objectify her. I don't understand what part you don't get. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] That's because i'm not the one who's confused. You are implying that adult entertainment is repsonsible for -blam!- objectification of women and people having their kinks, but you are wrong on both accounts. Women have been objectified as sex tools for hundreds of years, look at the institute of prostitution, it's been around for thousands of years. Furthermore people have had their perversions for thousands of years, you can see it in art from many different cultures. I don't support the adult film industry, but i'm not going to blame it for things it doesn't do. All it really does is profit on peoples desires. It doesn't set the bar, it just charges you to see it. [Edited on 02.10.2011 11:05 AM PST]

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  • I'd like to see actual supporting evidence, and your sources. You say it's known to be the case of elevated expectations, but how is it known? What's your proof? Because without that, I'm left here thinking that that's just a nonsense claim. Until you provide support for this, I'm going to have to file that argument under lols alongside "violence in media causes violence in children".

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  • Wow... I came in here objecting to the idea, but you put it very well... Pr0n does have many negative side effects, but what people need to understand is that pr0n is intended to fulfill a fantasy that you may never experience... I'm talking about the scripted ones, not the, "I have a cellphone, let's film me doin' it." type of material...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sims3k so[/quote]I'm almost tempted to sig this.

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  • I love Adult Entertainment Videos. [i]- JFKES[/i] [Edited on 02.10.2011 11:01 AM PST]

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  • You realize we're animals and not Prince Charmings, right?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] o S IE C IR E T If these truly have an effect on one's relationship, then perhaps the relationship isn't as tightly knit as once thought. If you truly have feelings for somebody on the emotional level, this should never be an issue, because if it does, it proves that these are either fostered feelings or she is there simply for the entertainment. I put value into relationships more than others, so I think. I cannot see myself falling prey to any of the aforementioned.[/quote]So is it ok for someone to cheat on another person, and then not giving up cheating? To the wife/girlfriend they are both very similar. They are pleasuring themselves over a different woman. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] Your best bet is to find someone secure enough to realize that fantasy and reality are seperate.[/quote]Yet your body doesn't know the difference, if it did, you wouldn't get turned on. [i]- JFKES[/i]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Blind Wolf Here's a video of a guy refuting 100 reasons why pr0nz is "bad" [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzf3ghIZJI]It's 41 minutes long but it's worth learning that your thoughts on pr0nz are stupid, OP[/url][/quote] This video is amazing and a great display of evidence in this court case. -The Judge

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera Objectification: Get a girl who does what you want in bed.[/quote]That is playing along with objectification, not an answer for it. You should love the individual. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] -blam!- or not, if you do not have a relationship that is -blam!-ly satisfying to both parties, it will most likely not last. Sex is a BIG part of a lasting relationship between two people, loving the individual has little to do with mutual physical attraction and chemistry.[/quote]Of course, I don't suggest that you get in a relationship with some one you are not attracted to. But that does not mean you objectify her. I don't understand what part you don't get. [i]- JFKES[/i]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] o S IE C IR E T If these truly have an effect on one's relationship, then perhaps the relationship isn't as tightly knit as once thought. If you truly have feelings for somebody on the emotional level, this should never be an issue, because if it does, it proves that these are either fostered feelings or she is there simply for the entertainment. I put value into relationships more than others, so I think. I cannot see myself falling prey to any of the aforementioned.[/quote]So is it ok for someone to cheat on another person, and then not giving up cheating? To the wife/girlfriend they are both very similar. They are pleasuring themselves over a different woman. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] Your best bet is to find someone secure enough to realize that fantasy and reality are seperate.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MideonNViscera So I should be willing to live my life with some uggo because she has a good personality? I know we teach children that life is a fairy tale, but it doesn't actually work that way.[/quote]If you are in a long term relationship with someone simply because they are good looking, don't you think that is slightly shallow? [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] Looks and personality aren't mutally exclusive. I need both. Some only need one or the other. You forget that a thousand years ago, long before pr0n, Kings and people in positions of power would have harems of beautiful women. Humans just like attractive humans. It's always been that way and always will be. We just recently figured out the best way to exploit it.

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