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Why Adult Entertainment Videos Can Do Harm - Discussion

[b]-FLAME SUIT ON!-[/b] [b]Disclaimer:[/b] [i]In this thread, I will argue my point as to why in my view p0rn videos do harm, this thread is also aimed at straight men, but most of the principles still can apply to women and -blam!--blam!-s. Before you all attack me in your replies for what ever reason, I would like to you read what I have to say. I am not looking at this from a religious or moral angle, but rather showing examples that could happen in real life. I do not want this to be a religious thread, and I do not want this to become a flat out insulting match between two sides, if it does reach that point, I will inform moderators of what is going on and ask them to lock the thread. Also, please no one post links to anything including nudity as there is no real age limit on these forums. Also, to any moderators who may read this, if you feel that discussion has become to explicit, or that my original post breaches the rules (I don't see how it should, as in nearly every thread there is at least one post closely related to what I am talking about) please lock. Ok, with that out the way, let me continue...[/i] There are three reasons I can see why it would do damage, as such, I will split the rest of this post into three parts. [b]1. Expectation[/b] This can harm relationships for two reasons, first is that for all those people who haven't had sex yet (AKA 99% of the flood) it boosts expectations beyond what can be equaled. You will want your girl friend/wife to look and act like the women you are used to seeing, and as such she isn't adequate. This is known to be the case. If you want to be married, and over time you become bored with your wife, you will want something that looks more like the unnaturally good looking women you have seen in the videos you watch. This will (and has often) led to affairs and break ups in relationships, as well as the man involved feeling resentment to their partner as they don't feel like they are getting what they should. [b]2. Addiction[/b] Most often, if you are in a long term relationship, you're wife/girlfriend wont want you to look at other people having sex. This is very understandable, the only problem is, that many people are addicted (or so they claim) to watching p0rn and -blam!-ion. Most often people seem to think that once they are in a relationship they wont need to resort to over ways of -blam!- stimulation, but in long term relationships (and coupled with the first point I made) means that they resort back to the original method, and cannot give it up, even when their partner finds out about it. [b]3. Objectification[/b] If you are used to having women do what ever you want, when ever you want, when watching videos on your computer, then if you think you do or not, you are making them simply an image or object, which exists only to enhance the way you feel. When this comes to a partner, you may be great friends with them in other occasions, but you will have objectified the female body and the -blam!- act as something simply for your own gain. Sure this isn't for everyone, but for many people it is. Men sometimes asks their parters for a threesome with another woman, but are opposed to their partner asking for a threesome with another man involved. In my eyes neither are right, but if thats what you are into or not, you must see the double standard. If those jokes about the perfect woman being some one who only makes sandwiches and being naked weren't based in anything, they wouldn't exist and people wouldn't find them funny. This also applies to other forms of sex which men like the idea of and women don't want to do, yet they are pressured into. [b]Conclusion[/b] I am not trying to judge anyone, but I have seen too many relationships and marriages break up because of this. Most people probably don't think of how it will effect them in the future, but they need to. Because if they don't address the issue at least, the adult videos will do harm. (clearly, there are some exceptions to the points, such as your partner watching it with you, or them not caring, but this isn't everyone, so the points still stand for those who do care) Again, I am not telling you how to live, just giving you food for thought. So, what is your view? Do you think that you should try and give it up now, before you get into a relationship, or how else should you live your life? [i]- JFKES[/i] [Edited on 02.10.2011 2:02 PM PST]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The real Mr Lala [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX I disagree, -blam!- does little more than to visualize a persons fantasy, hence why it is offered in so many flavors. Peoples perversions have been around since, well, people. Stating that -blam!- is responsible for shaping such things is ignorant at best, if anything it simply feeds of perversions already in place. IMO The only thing the adult entertainment industry increases is accessibility.[/quote] I don't think this is a case of "don't kill the messenger." By increasing the accessibility to explicit content, the adult industry has made s3xual perversion [i]mainstream[/i]. So they are doing harm. Okay, even if you believe that p0rn is fine for adults, you have to admit that it isn't good for the 10-13 y/o kids who accidentally find it online. The average age of exposure to p0rn is 11 (sorry I can't find a citation for that). Personally I believe some p0rn [i][b]is[/b][/i] marketed to 13-19 y/o crowd. that may be completely false, but as someone who has viewed p0rn from an early age that is my perspective. I'd give some examples, but I don't want to get too explicit. At first, p0rn simply takes the desires we already have an "exploits" them. But further on (at least for me), I found myself being attracted to things I was never attracted to in the first place. Some of those things scared me. Even if p0rn is simply "visualizing" a person's fantasy, is that really a good thing? No, of course not. [i]But it pays the bills so what the heck.[/i][/quote]Perversion isn't mainstream, it's [i]ingrained[/i] in your head. People have been "perverted" for as long as they've been having sex. And that's about as long as we've existed.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tomahawker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tomahawker Very well thought out OP. I completely agree and I wished more men were like this.[/quote] You wish more men acknowledged that pr0n can be a problem, or you wish more men would blame pr0n for a bunch of stuff like the OP has been doing?[/quote]Acknowledging that pr0n can be a problem and that it can lead to problems that the OP mentioned.[/quote] Fair enough.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sims3k so[/quote] Good argument...But what if i said i'm aware that what i see is not real and just enjoy the pleasure on occasion.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zon The Great [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big Why would a woman want a man to give up fapping and adult videos?[/quote] Religious and/or moral reasons [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big Better question, why would a man want a woman who would want him to give up those things?[/quote] You're saying that you wouldn't want any girl no matter how beautiful or perfect they are, to tell you to give up -blam!-?[/quote]Religious relies on faith, not logic. That's not really applicable. And no, I wouldn't want a woman that made me change the way I was in that respect, just as she wouldn't want me to make her change the way she was for me. It's a little thing called "compatibility." If she was so perfect for me, she wouldn't expect that from me. [Edited on 02.10.2011 1:26 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX I disagree, -blam!- does little more than to visualize a persons fantasy, hence why it is offered in so many flavors. Peoples perversions have been around since, well, people. Stating that -blam!- is responsible for shaping such things is ignorant at best, if anything it simply feeds of perversions already in place. IMO The only thing the adult entertainment industry increases is accessibility.[/quote] I don't think this is a case of "don't kill the messenger." By increasing the accessibility to explicit content, the adult industry has made s3xual perversion [i]mainstream[/i]. So they are doing harm. Okay, even if you believe that p0rn is fine for adults, you have to admit that it isn't good for the 10-13 y/o kids who accidentally find it online. The average age of exposure to p0rn is 11 (sorry I can't find a citation for that). Personally I believe some p0rn [i][b]is[/b][/i] marketed to 13-19 y/o crowd. that may be completely false, but as someone who has viewed p0rn from an early age that is my perspective. I'd give some examples, but I don't want to get too explicit. At first, p0rn simply takes the desires we already have an "exploits" them. But further on (at least for me), I found myself being attracted to things I was never attracted to in the first place. Some of those things scared me. Even if p0rn is simply "visualizing" a person's fantasy, is that really a good thing? No, of course not. [i]But it pays the bills so what the heck.[/i]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Charles128 This thread is opinionated and pointless, and without evidence.[/quote]Yes, but it is true in some cases as well. It is food for thought. There are cases of peoples relationships breaking up because of p0rn, don't believe me, give it a google (I am sure you will find something). I an warning the flood that these things can happen. PS- anyone know why my response to the last post has messed up the [quote] things? because I have checked it more than three times and I can see nothing wrong with it. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] How do you propose a man exercises his -blam!-ity when his partner isn't as interested anymore? I believe you do not understand some of the realities of relationships and -blam!-ity. Believe me when I say that after two children women are not very interested in sex. At the moment your advice is simply for men to ignore it - nice one.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big Why would a woman want a man to give up fapping and adult videos?[/quote] Religious and/or moral reasons [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big Better question, why would a man want a woman who would want him to give up those things?[/quote] You're saying that you wouldn't want any girl no matter how beautiful or perfect they are, to tell you to give up -blam!-?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Charles128 This thread is opinionated and pointless, and without evidence.[/quote]Yes, but it is true in some cases as well. It is food for thought. There are cases of peoples relationships breaking up because of p0rn, don't believe me, give it a google (I am sure you will find something). I an warning the flood that these things can happen. PS- anyone know why my response to the last post has messed up the [quote] things? because I have checked it more than three times and I can see nothing wrong with it. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote] There are also cases of people's relationships breaking up because of food preferences. Or toothpaste. Or sleeping habits. It is the people who make things happen, not the p0rn.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JFKES [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Blind Wolf Here's a video of a guy refuting 100 reasons why pr0nz is "bad" [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzf3ghIZJI]It's 41 minutes long but it's worth learning that your thoughts on pr0nz are stupid, OP[/url][/quote]P0rn can break up relationships, I know that for a fact. I know of a married couple that have split up because of it. I don't care what that video says, its true. So you can think that it is correct, but do you think you could give it up if your girlfriend/wife wanted you to? [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote]Are you one of those people that applies the results of a few instances to the entirety of the matter at hand? You do realize that's a logical fallacy, right?[/quote]What, so you think that the vast majority of the p0rn watching population could give it up for their wife/girlfriend? You must have seen how many of the flood have confessed to being addicted and not being able to give it up. I know of [b]many[/b] cases where the person tries to give it up, but can't and it effects relationships. [i]- JFKES[/i][/quote]Why would a woman want a man to give up fapping and adult videos? Better question, why would a man want a woman who would want him to give up those things?

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  • Objectification is my main problem with it

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  • [quote] Women have been objectifying themselves for years, and men have played a role in it, but the truth is, most of the objectification comes from women themselves. Women have chosen to become erotic actresses and prostitutes since ancient times. Hell, women degrade themselves with the Cosmopolitan magazines and all. I'm tired of all the freaking feminists blaming it only on men and Playboy, because it is not entirely men's fault. [/quote] I agree completely. I find those female - centred magazines to be more sickening than even some of the worst, most depraved categories of p0rn.

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  • There's my wall!

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  • Most men in relationships use adult entertainment as their partner does not have a similar sex drive to them. Once a day becomes once a week becomes once in a while. For those of us with a healthy sex drive you do need an outlet that the internet readily provides. If you can not separate the fantasy that adult entertainment provides compared to the reality of life then you will be seriously let down by most things in life regardless (advertising, movies, books). If you are saying that I am a sex addict then that is ridiculous. Stop seeing a healthy sex drive as being a bad thing. Sure visiting prostitutes is unhealthy and dangerous (and not something I have ever done) but using adult entertainment has helped the relationship between myself and my wife rather than just nagging her for something she doesn't want all the time. A man shouldn't have to regulate something that comes naturally to him just as I wouldn't deny a woman want they want also - it's win win. [Edited on 02.10.2011 1:18 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tomahawker Very well thought out OP. I completely agree and I wished more men were like this.[/quote] You wish more men acknowledged that pr0n can be a problem, or you wish more men would blame pr0n for a bunch of stuff like the OP has been doing?[/quote]Acknowledging that pr0n can be a problem and that it can lead to problems that the OP mentioned.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tomahawker Very well thought out OP. I completely agree and I wished more men were like this.[/quote] You wish more men acknowledged that pr0n can be a problem, or you wish more men would blame pr0n for a bunch of stuff like the OP has been doing?

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  • This is a good thread, and a good read. Thank you for sharing this.

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  • [i][b]"But let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious."[/i][/b]-[u]1 Peter 3:4[/u] Those are some pretty valid points, and I agree with you, I used to be addicted to it, fortunately I am pretty much over it now. I do think that the adult entertainment industry is harmful, although, I would not blame the objectification of women entirely on it. *Puts on flamesuit* Women have been objectifying themselves for years, and men have played a role in it, but the truth is, most of the objectification comes from women themselves. Women have chosen to become erotic actresses and prostitutes since ancient times. Hell, women degrade themselves with the Cosmopolitan magazines and all. I'm tired of all the freaking feminists blaming it only on men and Playboy, because it is not entirely men's fault.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Charles128 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] paulster5315 They're only harmful in the right circumstances. Like, say, HD videos played on a 50 inch 1080p TV. DON'T EVER DO IT. I saw things I never knew existed.[/quote] I'm a firm believer that there are some things you just do not want to see in HD.[/quote] I disagree. I wish I could see life in HD. Oh wait! I can! [url=http://www.amazon.com/HD-Vision-Ultra-Definition-Sunglasses/dp/B002V04OKO]lol[/url][/quote] Hmmm, I smell a scam haha. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CRYSTLE FTW I agree with you. I wish more men out there had this view.[/quote] And for the women who watch pr0n and expect their men to be hung like horses and last for two hours?

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  • Very well thought out OP. I completely agree and I wished more men were like this.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gibsonsg527 NEWS FLASH: EVERYONE watches pornz or have seen at least one vid before. I think we will be ok. Just use it in moderation like you should with everything and you should be fine. [/quote]

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  • NEWS FLASH: EVERYONE watches pornz or have seen at least one vid before. I think we will be ok. Just use it in moderation like you should with everything and you should be fine.

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  • (Yes, the numbers are out of order for a reason) 1. Saying that pr0n is harmful because sex isn't actually that good is like saying movies are harmful because life isn't really that good. Furthermore, If someone expects sex to be as good as pr0n, that's not the film's fault, it's the person's fault. 3. Once again, not a problem with pr0n, a problem with people. Saying that pr0n makes men think women are objects, and blaming pr0n for this, that's that blaming guns for killing people, or like blaming alcohol for drunk driving. 2. Pr0n is not addictive. It is no more ''addictive'' than anything else that people like to do. Plus, something being addictive in and of itself is not bad. It's only bad for something to be addictive if it is also harmful. You, so far, have failed to demonstrate that pr0n is harmful. Each of your arguments' validity depends entirely on a person not being responsible. It follows that this post only has valid points against people certain people who watch pr0n, not pr0n itself. As it stands, not only is pro0n not directly harmful to anyone, but it is also somewhat beneficial to people. In a nutshell: pr0n is only bad if a person is irresponsible. Thus, you cannot blame the pr0n, but the person for being irresponsible. [Edited on 02.10.2011 12:53 PM PST]

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  • Read the entire OP. This is true to a scary degree in some people. Problem is parents suck now a days. They don't know what true restriction means and quite frankly it seems like a lot of them just don't care enough to make sure their kids aren't watching anything they shouldn't be. This can be observed in TV too... Maybe I'm just being prejudice.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CRYSTLE FTW I agree with you. I wish more men out there had this view.[/quote] I agree too, even though I am a guy. Aren't we like perfect together? You know, both sharing the same opinions and whatnot.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SweetTRIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] paulster5315 They're only harmful in the right circumstances. Like, say, HD videos played on a 50 inch 1080p TV. DON'T EVER DO IT. I saw things I never knew existed.[/quote] I'm a firm believer that there are some things you just do not want to see in HD.[/quote] I disagree. I wish I could see life in HD. Oh wait! I can! [url=http://www.amazon.com/HD-Vision-Ultra-Definition-Sunglasses/dp/B002V04OKO]lol[/url]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] paulster5315 They're only harmful in the right circumstances. Like, say, HD videos played on a 50 inch 1080p TV. DON'T EVER DO IT. I saw things I never knew existed.[/quote] I'm a firm believer that there are some things you just do not want to see in HD.

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