[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XII CIUTCH IIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tomahawker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mepps Minnow 2 Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?[/quote] To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.[/quote] No -blam!- Sherlock. Humans have rationality and animals have instinct. Meat is part of a healthy balanced diet.[/quote] It can be. Meat doesn't have to be in your diet though. You can be perfectly healthy without it.[/quote] Much healthier in fact. Meat leads to diseases.[/quote] And because of some of the illegals who work harvesting your vegies wipe their asses with their hands in the local creek, there is always that chance of getting disease that way. It's happened.

We have the teeth for it and needs what it has.

I like meat what are you gonna do about it?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tomahawker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mepps Minnow 2 Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?[/quote] To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.[/quote] No -blam!- Sherlock. Humans have rationality and animals have instinct. Meat is part of a healthy balanced diet.[/quote] It can be. Meat doesn't have to be in your diet though. You can be perfectly healthy without it.[/quote] Much healthier in fact. Meat leads to diseases.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Our canines are made for seafood mostly. Thats why our incisors are so flat. To crack open shells and other stuff. [/quote]If that's truly the case I'm amazed that such a large portion of people are allergic to shellfish and hypersensitive to mercury. In other words: bro, it's for meat.[/quote] truth................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Seafood is more likely due to the amount of fatty acids that most seafood has. And our neurons use. [/quote]Land-meat is more protein dense, and has more iron to enrich the blood. Both have uses in creating a larger, more powerful, and more efficient neurological system. As I said, both theories are likely correct.[/quote]It's the fatty acids that helped not the protein mostly. [/quote]Not to be a jack-ass, but are you a sensationalist moron? Because thus far you have: +Ignored everything I've said +Addressed no new points +Provided a Google source ?[/quote]I haven't got any sleep today. Spent all night fixing my graphics card.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Seafood is more likely due to the amount of fatty acids that most seafood has. And our neurons use. [/quote]Land-meat is more protein dense, and has more iron to enrich the blood. Both have uses in creating a larger, more powerful, and more efficient neurological system. As I said, both theories are likely correct.[/quote]It's the fatty acids that helped not the protein mostly. [/quote]Not to be a jack-ass, but are you a sensationalist moron? Because thus far you have: +Ignored everything I've said +Addressed no new points +Provided a Google source ?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Seafood is more likely due to the amount of fatty acids that most seafood has. And our neurons use. [/quote]Land-meat is more protein dense, and has more iron to enrich the blood. Both have uses in creating a larger, more powerful, and more efficient neurological system. As I said, both theories are likely correct.[/quote]It's the fatty acids that helped not the protein mostly.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Seafood is more likely due to the amount of fatty acids that most seafood has. And our neurons use. [/quote]Land-meat is more protein dense, and has more iron to enrich the blood. Both have uses in creating a larger, more powerful, and more efficient neurological system. As I said, both theories are likely correct.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Our canines are made for seafood mostly. Thats why our incisors are so flat. To crack open shells and other stuff. [/quote]If that's truly the case I'm amazed that such a large portion of people are allergic to shellfish and hypersensitive to mercury. In other words: bro, it's for meat.[/quote][url=http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/fats.html]Our brains developed with seafood a huge part in it.[/url] [/quote]I've heard the same argument for meat, and to be honest, they're probably both right.[/quote]Seafood is more likely due to the amount of fatty acids that most seafood has. And our neurons use.

@Potato Mawnster Releasing chickens im the wild will indeed dwindle their population, but if you ask me, we'll be establishing natural balance between predator and prey. Domesticating animals makes them naturally weak due to being sheltered. It's pretty much making natural selection useless. [Edited on 12.27.2010 11:15 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Our canines are made for seafood mostly. Thats why our incisors are so flat. To crack open shells and other stuff. [/quote]If that's truly the case I'm amazed that such a large portion of people are allergic to shellfish and hypersensitive to mercury. In other words: bro, it's for meat.[/quote][url=http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/fats.html]Our brains developed with seafood a huge part in it.[/url] [/quote]I've heard the same argument for meat, and to be honest, they're probably both right.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bornswavia [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dr TimothyLeary [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lord of dahorde Come on people! Lets make this a new top topic![/quote]Why? It should have been locked pages ago. Everyone is just making the same statements over and over. There's no discussion left.[/quote] And you're doing an absolutely terrible job contributing to the thread yourself. Eating meat is unjustifiable, to me. However, I do understand how others can see it as justified. I just ask people become aware of the abuse that occurs in the animal industry. There is absolutely no way you can justify abuse. And I believe anyone with a heart would agree.[/quote] I can justify it because i'm a human and we're better than those walking plants. :)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Our canines are made for seafood mostly. Thats why our incisors are so flat. To crack open shells and other stuff. [/quote]If that's truly the case I'm amazed that such a large portion of people are allergic to shellfish and hypersensitive to mercury. In other words: bro, it's for meat.[/quote][url=http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/fats.html]Our brains developed with seafood a huge part in it.[/url]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 But if you really have some links to prove otherwise. Show me.[/quote]I do, in that animals would exist on their own anyway, and in that many livestock eat plants humans do not find fit for consumption, such as grass, or leaves. Honestly there are so many holes in these arguments a logical person doesn't even need to try. But you can keep going if you want, though.[/quote] You still haven't provided any links for any proof that we need hto kill animals to keep enviromental balance in check. I'm not going to take your argument seriously until you provide some. Honestly, what proof is there that the world relies on factory farming?[/quote] My take on that is that it is humans that are keeping the population of these animals in such constantly high numbers, because of supply and demand. Hypothetically, if everyone on the planet became a vegetarian, then there is no point in raising these domesticated animals since they are of no use and are a liability. If there are no humans to keep the population constant, then they will die off. These animals require humans to keep them alive, ironically. --------------------------------------------------------------- [u][b]Point 1:[/b][/u] To take a moral argument for example, there are over 25 billion chicken around the world, and if everyone became a vegetarian, then people would not domesticate all those chickens, since it serves them no purpose whatsoever anymore. Because of this, those chickens are likely to die due to negligence. Let's say that they would all be released into the wild, then the outcome would be better and for worse: The giant population would be dwindling down due to natural predators, but not without completely throwing the whole balance of the ecosystem first. Well at least the good thing is that some of those chickens would survive. To sum it all up, if everyone became a vegetarian, then it would indirectly cause more damage to the animal population than good. --------------------------------------------------------------- [u][b]Point 2:[/b][/u] To look at it from a logical argument, one can argue that vitamin B12 is an important point as to why we eat meat. What is a vitamin? Well a vitamin is basically a nutrient that is essential to the body but cannot be produced within the body. You need vitamins for your body to function properly. Meaning that it must be obtained from outside sources such as foods, liquids, and/or sunlight. Vitamin B12 is important for organs to function and is important for the proper replication of DNA. B12 obtained from animals or animal products, such as milk and eggs. Some can argue that they get their dose of B12 from vitamin tablets, but little do they know that the vitamin B12 they get are still extracted from dairy products, which are still animal products. This means that it is necessary for us to consume animals for at least the nutrients, if not the energy also. Again, some can argue that it is not energy efficient and stuff like the rule of 10. Even though it is a valid point, it is foolish to deny for a fact, that at least certain nutrients are needed through the consumption of animals needed for proper and optimal bodily function. --------------------------------------------------------------- [b][u]Closing:[/u][/b] In my opinion, I really don't see the point in arguing for both sides although I take the meat eaters side and typed 20 minutes worth of text. Overall, this issue is pretty trivial since neither side would win over the other side most likely. Taking on the side of the meat eaters, it is a proclivity for all living creatures on this planet to favor the survival of your own species over the survival of other species in various degrees. That you cannot deny. Going deeper into that, we're also inclined to favor what is ours or mine over what is theirs and yours. An analogy to how we are selfish BY NATURE. Vegetarians who believe that they are morally above the meat eaters or are more selfless than others are, in my opinion, just are in denial of humanity's natural selfishness. I personally still don't see the point in this thread since vegetarianism or veganism is a personal choice, just like eating meat, where if one choice is more fit based on your morals, than there is no point in arguing. [Edited on 12.27.2010 11:25 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Our canines are made for seafood mostly. Thats why our incisors are so flat. To crack open shells and other stuff. [/quote]If that's truly the case I'm amazed that such a large portion of people are allergic to shellfish and hypersensitive to mercury. In other words: bro, it's for meat.

Our canines are made for seafood mostly. Thats why our incisors are so flat. To crack open shells and other stuff.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] china my counter argument to gace_1337(spelling, i know) Vegetables and fruit also have to refrigirated. Cattle takes less space, thus allowing more space for things like schools, houses, wildlife preserves, parks, etc. once again, humans are ONMIVORES, and are supposed to eat meat. Cattle are fed left-overs from restaraunts, and mostly grain not fit for humans. And the corn-belt does not grow exclusively for cattle.[/quote] :tup:

my counter argument to gace_1337(spelling, i know) Vegetables and fruit also have to refrigirated. Cattle takes less space, thus allowing more space for things like schools, houses, wildlife preserves, parks, etc. once again, humans are ONMIVORES, and are supposed to eat meat. Cattle are fed left-overs from restaraunts, and mostly grain not fit for humans. And the corn-belt does not grow exclusively for cattle.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big Let me put it to you this way: I know this as fact, and don't really care if some teenage wannabe world-citizen cares enough to actually research it on his own (which clearly you don't). This isn't a research paper, this is an internet forum. I'm not going to go on EBSCOHost to find a reliable article just for you (finding 'proof' or 'sources' for anything using Google, by the way, is pretty lol if you're trying to cite sources). In essence, what I'm trying to say is, if you care so much about your lifestyle, research the opposing view instead of selectively picking and choosing overly-specific factoids provided by biased sources via a Google search.[/quote] I wish Bnet had a +rep button.

humans are omnivores, thus are SUPPOSED to eat meat.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZachAttack2K6 Vegans are pale, frail, unattractive and malnourished looking. And -blam!- the hypocrit vegiterians who dont eat red meat and just eat birds/fish. You are garbage.[/quote] Cool generalization, bro! You can actually live perfectly vell on a vegetarian/vegan diet if you keep it balanced and bother to research it.[/quote] Just saying, you dont see very many muscular, healthy looking vegans, most of the ones ive seen look weak, pale and frail, just personal experience and if you choose to take my opinion seriously thats your problem.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 But if you really have some links to prove otherwise. Show me.[/quote]I do, in that animals would exist on their own anyway, and in that many livestock eat plants humans do not find fit for consumption, such as grass, or leaves. Honestly there are so many holes in these arguments a logical person doesn't even need to try. But you can keep going if you want, though.[/quote] You still haven't provided any links for any proof that we need hto kill animals to keep enviromental balance in check. I'm not going to take your argument seriously until you provide some. Honestly, what proof is there that the world relies on factory farming?[/quote]I don't have -blam!-, biased links as you do, because I learned it from my [i]Sustainable Environments[/i] professor. The day you find out where to get agenda-free information on the internet for free, let me know. Also, you misunderstood. I did not once say the world relies on factory farming, though that is probably what you wanted to hear. I am not an advocate of factory farming, actually.[/quote] None of my links were biased. I doubt you even bothered to any check them. Of course, I currently do not have a [i]Sustainable Environments[/i] professor So I am in need of links to prove whether or not that your claim that "f no one ate meat, the trophic levels on the planet would be utterly destroyed." is valid or not. Hey, I can do the same thing. I can quote someone with an opinion and base it as fact. Watch me... [i]Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.[/i]- Albert Einstein See I just quoted Albert Einstein. Does that make my argument any more valid? No. You have to post links to of evidence to back up your claims or your argument is invalid. So far, I am the only one who has bothered to post any links with evidence. To be honest, I didn't post in this thread just to flame/get into an argument with anyone. I just came here to post why I chose to be a vegan. But obviously you felt incredibly hostile towards it and decided to pull some "Facts" out of your ass. [/quote]Let me put it to you this way: I know this as fact, and don't really care if some teenage wannabe world-citizen cares enough to actually research it on his own (which clearly you don't). This isn't a research paper, this is an internet forum. I'm not going to go on EBSCOHost to find a reliable article just for you (finding 'proof' or 'sources' for anything using Google, by the way, is pretty lol if you're trying to cite sources). In essence, what I'm trying to say is, if you care so much about your lifestyle, research the opposing view instead of selectively picking and choosing overly-specific factoids provided by biased sources via a Google search.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZachAttack2K6 Vegans are pale, frail, unattractive and malnourished looking. And -blam!- the hypocrit vegiterians who dont eat red meat and just eat birds/fish. You are garbage.[/quote] Cool generalization, bro! You can actually live perfectly vell on a vegetarian/vegan diet if you keep it balanced and bother to research it.

Humans have evolved to this point, why turn back?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2uPdxUPnXU]relevant [/url] ^_^