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12/24/2010 11:46:03 PM
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I just can't justify eating meat anymore
[quote]Heifer whines could be human cries
Closer comes the screaming knife
This beautiful creature must die
This beautiful creature must die
A death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER
And the flesh you so fancifully fry
Is not succulent, tasty or kind
It's death for no reason
And death for no reason is MURDER
And the calf that you carve with a smile
It is MURDER
And the turkey you festively slice
It is MURDER
Do you know how animals die?
Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
It's not "comforting", cheery or kind
It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench
Of MURDER
It's not "natural", "normal" or kind
The flesh you so fancifully fry
The meat in your mouth
As you savour the flavour
Of MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
NO, NO, NO, IT'S MURDER
Oh... and who cares about an animals life? ~Anon[/quote]
As Morrissey once said: "nobody can come up with a good argument for eating animals - nobody can. People as some kind of a joke say, well, 'It's tasty', but it's only tasty once you garnish it and you put salt and pepper, and you cook it, and you have to do 300 things to it to disguise its true taste. If you put garnishes on a chair or fabric, it would probably taste quite nice."
Animals who die for your dinner table die alone, in terror, in sadness and in pain. The killing is merciless and inhumane.
There is absolutely no reason why we should eat meat from an evolutionary or 'natural' perspective either. Our bodies are not designed to.
Just, how do I stop, I suppose you could say I'm addicted.
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Because agriculture alone cannot support the world population. Millions of people rely on meat. They would starve without it. And the species of animals we eat are only alive because we protect them. If we stop eating them, they will all go extinct without our protection. Throwing livestock into the wild would simply give them a slower, more painful death. Also, there are necessary proteins and nutrients humans need from meat. Not everyone can afford alternatives, and there aren't enough of them to go around anyway. And remember that PETA completely exaggerates the pain pain the animals go through and blow it all out of proportion. You don't need to look very hard to see that their campaigns are riddled with logical fallacies and incorrect facts and statistics.
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I disagree, from the beggining of the world, instinct is to kill for food, Animals kill each other, People kill each other, the only difference is, men are restrained by morals and law. Also, you say our bodies are not designed to eat meat, our teeth are sharp in the front for meat, and flat in the back for plants, the reason we have survived for so long is because we can eat plants AND animals, unlike Carnivores and Herbivores. Let this simmer in your mind for a bit, then offer me a reasonble rebuttle. [Edited on 12.27.2010 1:55 PM PST]
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I've got damned good reason. It tastes godly.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] johny mc smooth [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperBattleBros [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperBattleBros Lions are beautiful creatures. Lions eat other animals. Your logic is flawed.[/quote] Already covered... Lions do not have higher moral capabilities like us, they don't have a choice because they need to kill to survive, we don't need to and we can decide whether to stoop down to animal instincts or make use of our higher intelligence.[/quote] So, by your logic, because we're so much smarter than animals, and that they don't care because they're stupid then it's perfectly fine to eat meat.[/quote] common human superiority thoughts. im smarter than you so im better than you.[/quote] Which is the only defending argument against "Animals eat other animals", and is broken.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperBattleBros [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperBattleBros Lions are beautiful creatures. Lions eat other animals. Your logic is flawed.[/quote] Already covered... Lions do not have higher moral capabilities like us, they don't have a choice because they need to kill to survive, we don't need to and we can decide whether to stoop down to animal instincts or make use of our higher intelligence.[/quote] So, by your logic, because we're so much smarter than animals, and that they don't care because they're stupid then it's perfectly fine to eat meat.[/quote] common human superiority thoughts. im smarter than you so im better than you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperBattleBros Lions are beautiful creatures. Lions eat other animals. Your logic is flawed.[/quote] Already covered... Lions do not have higher moral capabilities like us, they don't have a choice because they need to kill to survive, we don't need to and we can decide whether to stoop down to animal instincts or make use of our higher intelligence.[/quote] So, by your logic, because we're so much smarter than animals, and that they don't care because they're stupid then it's perfectly fine to eat meat.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] johny mc smooth what about those helpless plants stop acting like animals are the only living things around. people grow fruits and vegetables all year long then massacre every single one of them. after they are sprayed by so many steroids and -blam!- so they don't die before the harvest. we kill things so we live. almost every living thing does that.[/quote] So much fail. Plants don't have a brain or a nervous system of any kind. They are not sentient like animals.[/quote] but they are living.so your saying just because they don't have the same things a animal has they aren't equal?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] johny mc smooth have you ever stopped and thought about all those vegetables/fruit you just ate and how they had to go through there life wanting to become a big tree/vine/bush only to be ripped from its home then frozen/cut/cooked alive just to feed you? but yet you talk about how its so unfair to cows and other animals to be breed to be killed and eaten but those fruit and vegetable go through exactly the same thing. [/quote] You best be trollin. They are not sentient and cannot feel pain.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XII CIUTCH IIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 As a Vegan, my Veganism isn't about trying to feel morally superior to people. It is about trying my best to abstain myself from cruelty and it's about trying to live as lightly on the Earth as possible. One of the reasons I am a vegan is because I abhor all forms of unecessary killing. Killing for mercy, killing in self-defence and killing for survival are acceptable in my opinion. I personally have no problem with a starving man eating meat because the man would likely die if he didn't and is only killing for survival which is a necessary form of killing. However, massively breeding billions of animals to slaughter in-order to feed people living in economically developed locations like Britain and the USA is absolutely not necessary because there is no nutrient in meat that is missing in a vegetarian diet. Necessary killing may be tragic, but I find killing simply for amusement, taste and small convenience vile and abhorrent. That is why I am a vegan.[/quote] Flawless argument.[/quote] have you ever stopped and thought about all those vegetables/fruit you just ate and how they had to go through there life wanting to become a big tree/vine/bush only to be ripped from its home then frozen/cut/cooked alive just to feed you? but yet you talk about how its so unfair to cows and other animals to be breed to be killed and eaten but those fruit and vegetable go through exactly the same thing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big Let me put it to you this way: I know this as fact, and don't really care if some teenage wannabe world-citizen cares enough to actually research it on his own (which clearly you don't). This isn't a research paper, this is an internet forum. I'm not going to go on EBSCOHost to find a reliable article just for you (finding 'proof' or 'sources' for anything using Google, by the way, is pretty lol if you're trying to cite sources). In essence, what I'm trying to say is, if you care so much about your lifestyle, research the opposing view instead of selectively picking and choosing overly-specific factoids provided by biased sources via a Google search.[/quote] So it's fact because you say it is, and because you're superior. Nice bro, nice.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SuperBattleBros Lions are beautiful creatures. Lions eat other animals. Your logic is flawed.[/quote] Already covered... Lions do not have higher moral capabilities like us, they don't have a choice because they need to kill to survive, we don't need to and we can decide whether to stoop down to animal instincts or make use of our higher intelligence.
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Lions are beautiful creatures. Lions eat other animals. Your logic is flawed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tacosaladman Our canines are made for seafood mostly. Thats why our incisors are so flat. To crack open shells and other stuff. [/quote] Proves my original argument in the OP that we are not designed to eat meat. And to anyone who dismisses it, he provided evidence of this.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZachAttack2K6 Vegans are pale, frail, unattractive and malnourished looking. And -blam!- the hypocrit vegiterians who dont eat red meat and just eat birds/fish. You are garbage.[/quote] Those vegetarians often do it purely for health reasons. And to your stereotype, it's 100% untrue and completely unfounded.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] johny mc smooth what about those helpless plants stop acting like animals are the only living things around. people grow fruits and vegetables all year long then massacre every single one of them. after they are sprayed by so many steroids and -blam!- so they don't die before the harvest. we kill things so we live. almost every living thing does that.[/quote] So much fail. Plants don't have a brain or a nervous system of any kind. They are not sentient like animals.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 But if you really have some links to prove otherwise. Show me.[/quote]I do, in that animals would exist on their own anyway, and in that many livestock eat plants humans do not find fit for consumption, such as grass, or leaves. Honestly there are so many holes in these arguments a logical person doesn't even need to try. But you can keep going if you want, though.[/quote] Bro, he destroyed your argument. This is proved by the fact rather than countering his argument, you just ignored it, said some things that his article has disproved and then told him that his argument is filled with holes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XII CIUTCH IIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 As a Vegan, my Veganism isn't about trying to feel morally superior to people. It is about trying my best to abstain myself from cruelty and it's about trying to live as lightly on the Earth as possible. One of the reasons I am a vegan is because I abhor all forms of unecessary killing. Killing for mercy, killing in self-defence and killing for survival are acceptable in my opinion. I personally have no problem with a starving man eating meat because the man would likely die if he didn't and is only killing for survival which is a necessary form of killing. However, massively breeding billions of animals to slaughter in-order to feed people living in economically developed locations like Britain and the USA is absolutely not necessary because there is no nutrient in meat that is missing in a vegetarian diet. Necessary killing may be tragic, but I find killing simply for amusement, taste and small convenience vile and abhorrent. That is why I am a vegan.[/quote] Flawless argument.[/quote] There are quite a bit of nutrients you're missing.
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what about those helpless plants stop acting like animals are the only living things around. people grow fruits and vegetables all year long then massacre every single one of them. after they are sprayed by so many steroids and -blam!- so they don't die before the harvest. we kill things so we live. almost every living thing does that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mahspoonis2big [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 As a Vegan, my Veganism isn't about trying to feel morally superior to people. It is about trying my best to abstain myself from cruelty and it's about trying to live as lightly on the Earth as possible. One of the reasons I am a vegan is because I abhor all forms of unecessary killing. Killing for mercy, killing in self-defence and killing for survival are acceptable in my opinion. I personally have no problem with a starving man eating meat because the man would likely die if he didn't and is only killing for survival which is a necessary form of killing. However, massively breeding billions of animals to slaughter in-order to feed people living in economically developed locations like Britain and the USA is absolutely not necessary because there is no nutrient in meat that is missing in a vegetarian diet. Necessary killing may be tragic, but I find killing simply for amusement, taste and small convenience vile and abhorrent. That is why I am a vegan.[/quote]Not only is this post hypocritical in that you rave for a solid run-on paragraph on how you are morally superior despite claiming to not feel that way, you're also wrong. If no one ate meat, the trophic levels on the planet would be utterly destroyed. Human meat-eating is necessary for environmental balance. Sure, humans eat more meat than they need or should currently, but a world without meat-eating is one that will see devastating crop infertilities and mass animal and human starvation. Vegans are vegans for purely selfish reasons. There is no 'world-citizen' aspect to it at all; you're doing it for yourself and yourself alone.[/quote] The land used for growing crops to feed the animals we eat, could be used effectively to feed humans. With ease. There are more "farmed" animals alive than humans, much more, therefore there would be more crops used to feed these animals than humans. And even if not, there is plenty of crops to feed all the humans in the world, including the starving people anyway. Without this extra land.
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I respect your views, however, I don't see a need to justify eating meat, vegetable, or anything else, it happens. Humans are omnivores for a reason.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XII CIUTCH IIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 As a Vegan, my Veganism isn't about trying to feel morally superior to people. It is about trying my best to abstain myself from cruelty and it's about trying to live as lightly on the Earth as possible. One of the reasons I am a vegan is because I abhor all forms of unecessary killing. Killing for mercy, killing in self-defence and killing for survival are acceptable in my opinion. I personally have no problem with a starving man eating meat because the man would likely die if he didn't and is only killing for survival which is a necessary form of killing. However, massively breeding billions of animals to slaughter in-order to feed people living in economically developed locations like Britain and the USA is absolutely not necessary because there is no nutrient in meat that is missing in a vegetarian diet. Necessary killing may be tragic, but I find killing simply for amusement, taste and small convenience vile and abhorrent. That is why I am a vegan.[/quote] Flawless argument.[/quote]Enough bumping your thread. This thread no longer holds any discussion value. All of your posts are now, "Yes," "I agree," "He is Stupid," "Flawless Argument," etc..
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gage_1337 As a Vegan, my Veganism isn't about trying to feel morally superior to people. It is about trying my best to abstain myself from cruelty and it's about trying to live as lightly on the Earth as possible. One of the reasons I am a vegan is because I abhor all forms of unecessary killing. Killing for mercy, killing in self-defence and killing for survival are acceptable in my opinion. I personally have no problem with a starving man eating meat because the man would likely die if he didn't and is only killing for survival which is a necessary form of killing. However, massively breeding billions of animals to slaughter in-order to feed people living in economically developed locations like Britain and the USA is absolutely not necessary because there is no nutrient in meat that is missing in a vegetarian diet. Necessary killing may be tragic, but I find killing simply for amusement, taste and small convenience vile and abhorrent. That is why I am a vegan.[/quote] Flawless argument.
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We are naturally predators. Notice how our eyes are only on the front of our heads and not on the sides. Prey have eyes on the sides. I enjoy a juicy rare steak seasoned or unseasoned any day of the week. It still taste good, as does chicken, fish, lamp, ad all otehr meats.
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If there are no more burgers in the world. I shall die.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Maj0r Awesom3 Just saying, I'd never be a vegetarian. Endless buffalo wings at Gator's Dockside for $10.95 is just too good to pass up.[/quote] Heart disease and cancer at that price? Bargain.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XII CIUTCH IIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tomahawker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] G O R E25 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mepps Minnow 2 Animals eat other animals. Does the lion ask if the buffalo wants to die in a humane way?[/quote] To continue the seemingly endless circle of already covered discussion, the lion does not have higher moral capabilities and also needs to eat the buffalo to survive. I might eat meat if I had to to survive, but I don't.[/quote] No -blam!- Sherlock. Humans have rationality and animals have instinct. Meat is part of a healthy balanced diet.[/quote] It can be. Meat doesn't have to be in your diet though. You can be perfectly healthy without it.[/quote] Much healthier in fact. Meat leads to diseases.[/quote] And because of some of the illegals who work harvesting your vegies wipe their asses with their hands in the local creek, there is always that chance of getting disease that way. It's happened.
